Posted by Paladin on August 5, 2005, 9:40 am
I have noticed that many people push the 250 class of motorcycles as
"beginner's bikes". The 250 is actually a good size for city riding,
capable of keeping up with traffic on surface streets and freeways.
But rather than call them middleweights or city or urban bikes we call
them "beginner's bikes" and warn people that they will "soon outgrow"
them.
Thus pushing them onto bigger bikes that they cannot handle -- which
gets them into trouble, causing needless accidents and deaths.
Simply because you sneer at the middleweight motorcytcle as a
"beginner's bike."
Not to mention that the 350-450 class of motorcycle has nearly
disappeared.
Posted by Julie Ruin on August 5, 2005, 1:27 pm
I don't know about the "death stats." but I do agree with you in that 250cc
machines are unecessarily looked down on.
if you're looking for a group of people dedicated to 250cc machines check
this forum out it's all about Honda's Rebel the CMX250:
http://www.surfmaine.com/rebelforum/
>I have noticed that many people push the 250 class of motorcycles as
> "beginner's bikes". The 250 is actually a good size for city riding,
> capable of keeping up with traffic on surface streets and freeways.
> But rather than call them middleweights or city or urban bikes we call
> them "beginner's bikes" and warn people that they will "soon outgrow"
> them.
> Thus pushing them onto bigger bikes that they cannot handle -- which
> gets them into trouble, causing needless accidents and deaths.
> Simply because you sneer at the middleweight motorcytcle as a
> "beginner's bike."
> Not to mention that the 350-450 class of motorcycle has nearly
> disappeared.
Posted by High Plains Thumper on August 6, 2005, 2:03 pm
> "Paladin" wrote ...
>> I have noticed that many people push the 250 class of
>> motorcycles as "beginner's bikes". The 250 is actually a
>> good size for city riding, capable of keeping up with
>> traffic on surface streets and freeways. But rather than
>> call them middleweights or city or urban bikes we call
>> them "beginner's bikes" and warn people that they will
>> "soon outgrow" them.
>>
>> Thus pushing them onto bigger bikes that they cannot
>> handle -- which gets them into trouble, causing needless
>> accidents and deaths.
>>
>> Simply because you sneer at the middleweight motorcytcle
>> as a "beginner's bike."
>>
>> Not to mention that the 350-450 class of motorcycle has
>> nearly disappeared.
> I don't know about the "death stats." but I do agree with
> you in that 250cc machines are unecessarily looked down on.
> if you're looking for a group of people dedicated to 250cc
> machines check this forum out it's all about Honda's Rebel
> the CMX250:
>
> http://www.surfmaine.com/rebelforum/
Suzuki LS650 Savage (now Boulevard S40) now fills the nick of
the 450 class of twin. It is cruise capable, but handling is
predictable, no nasty habbits. With gobs of torque, I enjoy
watching winged Neons and SUV's back off when I roll the
throttle.
I think that ploy of calling them beginner bikes is a
marketing one.
Person needs to get comfortable with their ride, that takes
years not months to get to feel comfortable in all situations.
I like really leaning into turns and scraping the pegs.
One doesn't get comfortable riding only on weekends.
--
HPT
Posted by Beav on August 10, 2005, 6:56 am
>> http://www.surfmaine.com/rebelforum/
> Suzuki LS650 Savage (now Boulevard S40) now fills the nick of
> the 450 class of twin. It is cruise capable, but handling is
> predictable, no nasty habbits. With gobs of torque, I enjoy
> watching winged Neons and SUV's back off when I roll the
> throttle.
> I think that ploy of calling them beginner bikes is a
> marketing one.
> Person needs to get comfortable with their ride, that takes
> years not months to get to feel comfortable in all situations.
> I like really leaning into turns and scraping the pegs.
> One doesn't get comfortable riding only on weekends.
That's one of the truest statements I've sen here in a long time, but it's
one that's never considered. I ride every day I can (which is most days) and
every time I ride during the week, I see lots of GOOD riders out and about,
but come the weekend and it all turns to shit.
Lots of weekend riders flying all over the place, trying to convince the
world at large that they're riding gods. The big problem though, is they
actually think they ARE riding gods. Even when they're picking their trashed
bikes up after losing it.
Accidents are NEVER their fault, always someone/something elses.
--
Beav
Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
changes)
Posted by Richard Amirault on August 5, 2005, 2:13 pm
"Paladin" wrote ...
>I have noticed that many people push the 250 class of motorcycles as
> "beginner's bikes". The 250 is actually a good size for city riding,
> capable of keeping up with traffic on surface streets and freeways.
> But rather than call them middleweights or city or urban bikes we call
> them "beginner's bikes" and warn people that they will "soon outgrow"
> them.
> Thus pushing them onto bigger bikes that they cannot handle -- which
> gets them into trouble, causing needless accidents and deaths.
> Simply because you sneer at the middleweight motorcytcle as a
> "beginner's bike."
(snip)
Please ... it's not that someone calls them "beginner's bikes" .. it's just
a natural male trait ... folks on 250cc machines want a 500 .. folks on 500
machines want a 650 .. folks on 650 machines want a 900 .. and so on. OR,
if those folks don't lust after a bigger displacement bike, they want to
know how to make what they have faster (cut weight, new exhaust, new carb,
etc)
Folks who start out on 250 machines learn the limitations of the machine
BEFORE they learn the limitations of their riding skills.
--
Richard Amirault N1JDU
Boston, MA, USA Go Fly A Kite
> "beginner's bikes". The 250 is actually a good size for city riding,
> capable of keeping up with traffic on surface streets and freeways.
> But rather than call them middleweights or city or urban bikes we call
> them "beginner's bikes" and warn people that they will "soon outgrow"
> them.
> Thus pushing them onto bigger bikes that they cannot handle -- which
> gets them into trouble, causing needless accidents and deaths.
> Simply because you sneer at the middleweight motorcytcle as a
> "beginner's bike."
> Not to mention that the 350-450 class of motorcycle has nearly
> disappeared.