Posted by ian field on February 12, 2009, 3:00 pm
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>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I suggested that about a week ago!
>>>>
>>>>> Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
>>>>> soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
>>>>> sometimes..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not if you use your brain just a TINY bit.
>>>>
>>>> You fire it up, let it heat to the proper useable temperature and the
>>>> SHUT THE FLAME OFF before you get near the plastic parts. Should be
>>>> good
>>>> for one or two joints before the wind cools it off too much.
>>>> OR
>>>> The little catalytic flame only blows in one direction; once you figure
>>>> that out, you should be able to point it AWAY from the meltable
>>>> parts........and once it is up to temp. and you turn the "flame" down
>>>> to
>>>> a maintenance level, there isn't that much heat coming out anyway.
>>>> OR
>>>> You could continue to whine over nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Portasol is very controllable, I never melted anything other than
>>> solder with it.
>>> All you need is some soldering skills and some common sense when using
>>> it.
>>
>> A good flux is often handy too.
>>
>> The strands in vehicle wiring are rarely tin plated and usually oxidised,
>> the flux in cored solder just makes a mess so I keep a tub of active
>> plumbers flux ready to hand.
>>
>> Someone else mentioned the risk of vibration to soldered joints - heat
>> shrink sleeve reduces this risk significantly.
>>
>>
>>
> Rosin Flux Soldering Paste is what you need.
It doesn't work - it just burns on as an impenetrable lacquer so you have to
scrape all the strands with a knife blade before you can carry on and do the
job properly with an active flux. If the solder takes on any of the strands
you can't easily scrape them so you then have to cut the ruined strands off
and start all over again!
Posted by Jim Yanik on February 12, 2009, 3:10 pm
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done
>>>>>> |>with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I suggested that about a week ago!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
>>>>>> soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
>>>>>> sometimes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not if you use your brain just a TINY bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> You fire it up, let it heat to the proper useable temperature and
>>>>> the SHUT THE FLAME OFF before you get near the plastic parts.
>>>>> Should be good
>>>>> for one or two joints before the wind cools it off too much.
>>>>> OR
>>>>> The little catalytic flame only blows in one direction; once you
>>>>> figure that out, you should be able to point it AWAY from the
>>>>> meltable parts........and once it is up to temp. and you turn the
>>>>> "flame" down to
>>>>> a maintenance level, there isn't that much heat coming out anyway.
>>>>> OR
>>>>> You could continue to whine over nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Portasol is very controllable, I never melted anything other
>>>> than solder with it.
>>>> All you need is some soldering skills and some common sense when
>>>> using it.
>>>
>>> A good flux is often handy too.
>>>
>>> The strands in vehicle wiring are rarely tin plated and usually
>>> oxidised, the flux in cored solder just makes a mess so I keep a tub
>>> of active plumbers flux ready to hand.
>>>
>>> Someone else mentioned the risk of vibration to soldered joints -
>>> heat shrink sleeve reduces this risk significantly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Rosin Flux Soldering Paste is what you need.
>>
>
> It doesn't work - it just burns on as an impenetrable lacquer so you
> have to scrape all the strands with a knife blade before you can carry
> on and do the job properly with an active flux. If the solder takes on
> any of the strands you can't easily scrape them so you then have to
> cut the ruined strands off and start all over again!
>
>
>
soldering with an acid flux is OK *IF* you clean ALL the flux off
afterwards. (very iffy...)
Otherwise,the acid eventually eats thru the wire enough that vibration
breaks it.
BTW,some rosin fluxes are more active than others.
I wonder if you first cleaned the wires with Tarn-X,then soldered with
rosin flux,if that would be better?
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Posted by Paul aka Sporty on February 12, 2009, 3:12 pm
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>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I suggested that about a week ago!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
>>>>>> soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
>>>>>> sometimes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not if you use your brain just a TINY bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> You fire it up, let it heat to the proper useable temperature and the
>>>>> SHUT THE FLAME OFF before you get near the plastic parts. Should be
>>>>> good
>>>>> for one or two joints before the wind cools it off too much.
>>>>> OR
>>>>> The little catalytic flame only blows in one direction; once you
>>>>> figure
>>>>> that out, you should be able to point it AWAY from the meltable
>>>>> parts........and once it is up to temp. and you turn the "flame" down
>>>>> to
>>>>> a maintenance level, there isn't that much heat coming out anyway.
>>>>> OR
>>>>> You could continue to whine over nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Portasol is very controllable, I never melted anything other than
>>>> solder with it.
>>>> All you need is some soldering skills and some common sense when using
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> A good flux is often handy too.
>>>
>>> The strands in vehicle wiring are rarely tin plated and usually
>>> oxidised,
>>> the flux in cored solder just makes a mess so I keep a tub of active
>>> plumbers flux ready to hand.
>>>
>>> Someone else mentioned the risk of vibration to soldered joints - heat
>>> shrink sleeve reduces this risk significantly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Rosin Flux Soldering Paste is what you need.
>>
> It doesn't work - it just burns on as an impenetrable lacquer so you have
> to scrape all the strands with a knife blade before you can carry on and
> do the job properly with an active flux. If the solder takes on any of the
> strands you can't easily scrape them so you then have to cut the ruined
> strands off and start all over again!
Always remember to slide a piece of shrink wrap up the wire BEFORE starting.
That's the 1st step in a clean solder joint, All metal must be clean and
bright, Then flux and heat to temp, Tinning sometimes
makes the job quicker, After feeding solder and getting a smooth flow allow
to cool before moving to avoid a cold solder joint.
Posted by Who Me? on February 12, 2009, 8:51 pm
>> Rosin Flux Soldering Paste is what you need.
>>
> It doesn't work -
I'm sure that tens of millions of technicians and plumbers world wide with
thank you for telling them that what they have been doing successfully for
years really isn't working!!! Bull shit.
At the point where the flux liquefies and begins to boil......but before it
burns to a crisp.....THAT is when you apply the solder......or at least
those of us who know what we are doing do.
Posted by ian field on February 13, 2009, 1:52 pm
>>> Rosin Flux Soldering Paste is what you need.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't work -
> I'm sure that tens of millions of technicians and plumbers world wide with
> thank you for telling them that what they have been doing successfully for
> years really isn't working!!! Bull shit.
> At the point where the flux liquefies and begins to boil......but before
> it burns to a crisp.....THAT is when you apply the solder......or at least
> those of us who know what we are doing do.
You're really good at twisting words aren't you - especially having snipped
all the relevant content that would have shown up your twisted rant.
With cored solder the solder is applied simultaneously with the flux - not
after the flux has burned as you mischievously suggest.
I suggest you try to find a topic you know squat about to criticise!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I suggested that about a week ago!
>>>>
>>>>> Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
>>>>> soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
>>>>> sometimes..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not if you use your brain just a TINY bit.
>>>>
>>>> You fire it up, let it heat to the proper useable temperature and the
>>>> SHUT THE FLAME OFF before you get near the plastic parts. Should be
>>>> good
>>>> for one or two joints before the wind cools it off too much.
>>>> OR
>>>> The little catalytic flame only blows in one direction; once you figure
>>>> that out, you should be able to point it AWAY from the meltable
>>>> parts........and once it is up to temp. and you turn the "flame" down
>>>> to
>>>> a maintenance level, there isn't that much heat coming out anyway.
>>>> OR
>>>> You could continue to whine over nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Portasol is very controllable, I never melted anything other than
>>> solder with it.
>>> All you need is some soldering skills and some common sense when using
>>> it.
>>
>> A good flux is often handy too.
>>
>> The strands in vehicle wiring are rarely tin plated and usually oxidised,
>> the flux in cored solder just makes a mess so I keep a tub of active
>> plumbers flux ready to hand.
>>
>> Someone else mentioned the risk of vibration to soldered joints - heat
>> shrink sleeve reduces this risk significantly.
>>
>>
>>
> Rosin Flux Soldering Paste is what you need.