Posted by admin on December 20, 2007, 9:58 am
Broderick Crawford ililililil wrote:
> Konrad Viltersten wrote:
>> I went to my local dealership to change to change my tires to winter
>> type (law requirement here) only to learn that they don't sell such
>> oddity. Apparently, ot enough people are subborn to ride a bike
>> december-march around here. So, where can i get those?
>>
>> I'm assuming that temperatures of zero and below (Celsius, of course)
>> will affect the grip etc. of the usual tires. Is that correct?
>>
>> Enjoying Honda Varadero '03, if that has any relevance.
>>
> Go home and throw another log on the fire. You're making me cold.
Correct on grip. The tires will need some time to warm up.. using them
warms them up. Winter (below 40F) traction will never equal summer (80F)
traction, so take that into account for cornering and braking. Also -
take into account the possibility of black-ice in shaded areas - even if
the temps creep a few degrees above freezing.
That said - some of my most enjoyable rides have been with the temps in
the high 20's, low 30's..
Posted by Konrad Viltersten on December 20, 2007, 1:10 pm
> Correct on grip. The tires will need some time to warm up.. using them
> warms them up. Winter (below 40F) traction will never equal summer
> (80F) traction, so take that into account for cornering and braking.
> Also - take into account the possibility of black-ice in shaded
> areas - even if the temps creep a few degrees above freezing.
I'd like to know about what other experienced when riding under such
conditions. Does one get a "warning" a few times or is it rather "you
feel it 'cause your down"-thing?
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Konrad Viltersten
Posted by Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com on December 20, 2007, 1:23 pm
Konrad Viltersten wrote:
>I'd like to know about what other experienced when riding under such
>conditions. Does one get a "warning" a few times or is it rather "you
>feel it 'cause your down"-thing?
If you can see frost on the grass alongside the road, there may be black ice
in the shadows, and you will crash as soon as you get onto it without any
warning at all.
If you can see snow on the road, you have a clear visual warning that says,
"Park it, pal."
The closest thing I ever got to a "warning" was when I rode through ice water
water running across a mountain road at 2000 meters elevation and I felt the
water *crunch* under my tires.
With that warning, I turned around and descended to lower elevation to enjoy
my ride in the mountains.
Some road maintenance crews put salt on the roads to thaw the ice, but around
here they spread red gravel, so it's obvious that there was snow on the road
earlier.
The gravel causes poor traction too, but at least it's very visible.
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Posted by J. Clarke on December 20, 2007, 3:13 pm
Konrad Viltersten wrote:
>> Correct on grip. The tires will need some time to warm up.. using
>> them warms them up. Winter (below 40F) traction will never equal
>> summer (80F) traction, so take that into account for cornering and
>> braking. Also - take into account the possibility of black-ice in
>> shaded
>> areas - even if the temps creep a few degrees above freezing.
> I'd like to know about what other experienced when riding under such
> conditions. Does one get a "warning" a few times or is it rather
> "you
> feel it 'cause your down"-thing?
Black ice, it depends on how much there is. If it's little patches
then it scares you--one end or the other slips and then catches before
you go down. More than that and you're almost certain to do down on
it if you come on it unexpectedly.. If you know it's there and have a
bike low enough to flatfoot both sides and there's not too much crown
to the road you can stop before you get to the ice and creep across it
using your feet for outriggers--they slide on it too. A few times
I've gotten across a parking lot that way and onto the plowed and
sanded road.
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Posted by Broderick Crawford ililililil on December 20, 2007, 10:27 pm
J. Clarke wrote:
> Konrad Viltersten wrote:
>>> Correct on grip. The tires will need some time to warm up.. using
>>> them warms them up. Winter (below 40F) traction will never equal
>>> summer (80F) traction, so take that into account for cornering and
>>> braking. Also - take into account the possibility of black-ice in
>>> shaded
>>> areas - even if the temps creep a few degrees above freezing.
>> I'd like to know about what other experienced when riding under such
>> conditions. Does one get a "warning" a few times or is it rather
>> "you
>> feel it 'cause your down"-thing?
>
> Black ice, it depends on how much there is. If it's little patches
> then it scares you--one end or the other slips and then catches before
> you go down. More than that and you're almost certain to do down on
> it if you come on it unexpectedly.. If you know it's there and have a
> bike low enough to flatfoot both sides and there's not too much crown
> to the road you can stop before you get to the ice and creep across it
> using your feet for outriggers--they slide on it too. A few times
> I've gotten across a parking lot that way and onto the plowed and
> sanded road.
>
I've put my foot down on a grease spot in the summer at a red light and
almost dumped my bike right there because my foot slipped out. I can
imagine black ice with snow dust on it. You might as well put skies on
the sides of your bike.
>> I went to my local dealership to change to change my tires to winter
>> type (law requirement here) only to learn that they don't sell such
>> oddity. Apparently, ot enough people are subborn to ride a bike
>> december-march around here. So, where can i get those?
>>
>> I'm assuming that temperatures of zero and below (Celsius, of course)
>> will affect the grip etc. of the usual tires. Is that correct?
>>
>> Enjoying Honda Varadero '03, if that has any relevance.
>>
> Go home and throw another log on the fire. You're making me cold.