Posted by E.L. Green on October 15, 2005, 12:17 pm
Shades wrote:
> I would say that the main reason Motorcycle have far fewer flats is
> because with a bike, the width of the contact patch is only 2-3 inches or so
> for each tire(it varies due to tire width, profile, etc.) compared to 6 or 8
> or more inches per tire on a 4 wheeled vehicle. Having 32 inches of tire for
> nails to find is allot different than having 4 inches.
>
> I have seen AMAZING saves from the use of 'Slime'! I recommend using
Don't use Slime, it eats aluminum wheels alive and is the dickens to
clean out of the wheel at tire change time. There is a competitor,
Ride-On TPS, which doesn't have those issues:
http://www.ride-on.com/motorcycle.htm
Slime may or may not work well, but its effects upon aluminum wheels
mean it isn't going into my tires.
-E
Posted by kriyamanna on October 15, 2005, 2:37 pm
E.L. Green wrote:
> Don't use Slime, it eats aluminum wheels alive and is the dickens to
> clean out of the wheel at tire change time. There is a competitor,
> Ride-On TPS, which doesn't have those issues:
> http://www.ride-on.com/motorcycle.htm
> Slime may or may not work well, but its effects upon aluminum wheels
> mean it isn't going into my tires.
Ride-On isn't going into my expen$ive aluminum wheel$, either.
Slime uses propylene glycol and Ride-On uses ethylene glycol.
Both are corrosive to aluminum.
Ethylene glycol has a pH of 8.0 to 10.0 which means it's alkaline, and
alkaline chemicals will etch and pit aluminum.
http://www.ride-on.com/PDF_Files/Technical_Info_and_Testing/MSDS_4-08-02.pdf
Radiators use antifreeze containing one of the two above glycols and
automotive antifreeze contains corrosion inhibitors to keep the
antifreeze
from eating away at the metal parts of the cooling system.
Antifreeze manufacturers refer to those corrosion inhibitors as buffers
and warn that the buffers get "used up" over a few years time, so they
recommend changing antifreeze every two years.
Ride-On claims that they use a proprietary blend of 1.5% to 4.0%
"non-heavy metal based corrosion inhibitors".
The corrosion inhibitors probably get used up in about two or three
years, so if you're the kind of rider that burns off a set of tires
every year, Ride-On wouldn't be in the tires long enough to use up the
inhibitors.
But if you believe that crap about Ride-On being an automatic tire
balancer and you run it in the tires all the time and it stays in there
for a few years when you lay off riding, you're probably going to find
an aluminum wheel that's all etched and pitted when you go to change
tires.
Riders used to put something called Flat Proof into their tube-type
tires 30 years ago. It was the same stuff, but at least it was
contained inside the rubber inner tube until the rider got a
puncture...
Anybody who wants to reply to my remarks about the probable corrosivity
of
Ride-On with some remark like, "Well, *I* use Ride-On and my wheels
have never corroded, so you must be a dumb shit!" might as well save
it.
Ride-On is NOT going into my expen$ive aluminum wheel$.
Posted by Beav on October 15, 2005, 9:24 pm
> Shades wrote:
>> I would say that the main reason Motorcycle have far fewer flats is
>> because with a bike, the width of the contact patch is only 2-3 inches or
>> so for each tire(it varies due to tire width, profile, etc.) compared to
>> 6 or 8 or more inches per tire on a 4 wheeled vehicle. Having 32 inches
>> of tire for nails to find is allot different than having 4 inches.
>>
>> I have seen AMAZING saves from the use of 'Slime'! I recommend using
> Don't use Slime, it eats aluminum wheels alive and is the dickens to clean
> out of the wheel at tire change time. There is a competitor, Ride-On TPS,
> which doesn't have those issues:
> http://www.ride-on.com/motorcycle.htm
Of course, these aren't the competition, so have no vested interest in
people not using slime.
--
Beav
Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
changes)
Posted by E.L. Green on October 15, 2005, 11:49 pm
Beav wrote:
>
>>Shades wrote:
>>> I have seen AMAZING saves from the use of 'Slime'! I recommend using
>>
>>Don't use Slime, it eats aluminum wheels alive and is the dickens to clean
>>out of the wheel at tire change time. There is a competitor, Ride-On TPS,
>>which doesn't have those issues:
>>
>>http://www.ride-on.com/motorcycle.htm
>
>
> Of course, these aren't the competition, so have no vested interest in
> people not using slime.
Uhm, I have nothing to do with the Ride-On folks. Someone has now stated
that it corrodes aluminum wheels too, which I didn't know because I've
only used it in tube-type tires (dirt bikes). I do know it's easier to
get out of the wheels than Slime. Slime actually hardens over time, it
once destroyed the nozzle of one of my tire pumps because some Slime
leaked out of the valve when I pumped air into the tire and removed the
nozzle. The next time I wanted to air up my tire, it was actually gummed
up with that Slime stuff, about the same consistency as chewing gum, and
I had to pick it out of there. And I had a flat, and the Slime leaked
out of the tube and gummed up everything inside the wheel, leaving a big
mess. If that's what it looks like inside tubeless tires, it's no wonder
that tire shops will charge you extra to change Slimed tires.
I don't use Slime anymore, because in my case, at least, it just isn't
worth the hassle.
-E
Posted by Beav on October 15, 2005, 9:20 pm
"Shades" <shades_1970(at)netins(dot)net> wrote in message
> I would say that the main reason Motorcycle have far fewer flats is
> because with a bike, the width of the contact patch is only 2-3 inches or
> so for each tire(it varies due to tire width, profile, etc.) compared to 6
> or 8 or more inches per tire on a 4 wheeled vehicle. Having 32 inches of
> tire for nails to find is allot different than having 4 inches.
I think I've invented the magnetic bike tyre. I can pick up a 10mm bolt in a
190mm tyre any day of the week. This week it was Friday:-)
I've not had a puncture in a car for as long as I can remember, but bikes??
Fuck ME I can't go a month without.
> I have seen AMAZING saves from the use of 'Slime'! I recommend using
> the 'Slime' intended for tubes because it has longer fibers and seems to
> seal quicker and more solid.
My new tyres are slimed (as of today) I ddn't use the tube slime though,
it's bad enough the grief I get when my man takes a regular slimed tyre
off:-)
Its always a good idea to keep a minimum of
> tools required on your bike no matter if its a puttin'-round-town bike or
> a hellova-long-ride bike, new or old, newbie rider or
> more-miles-than-a-OTR-driver rider.
Absolutely.
I also believe that a plug kit for
> tubeless or a patch kit for tube-type is a must.
Agreed. I NEVER leave home without at least 3Co2 cartridges and two plugs.
With the right tools, you
> can break the bead, pull it over the rim, partially pull out the tube,
> patch it, and put it all back together without removing the wheel from the
> bike. If it takes 2, 4, 10, 37.5821 Co2 canisters to fill up your tire
> when your 50 miles from the nearest ANYTHING in no cellular signal country
> is worth the hassle of hauling everything around and doing it yourself.
I don't use tube tyres, but I see your point. And agree with it.
> There are gonna be MANY different opinions on the subject and thank God
> that we live in a country where we have the right to express our opinion.
> If only there was enough respect for others to always express it
> respectfully. Also, just because many of us have had the exact same
> situation happen doesn't mean that the same remedy that worked great for
> you will work at all for someone else...and not belittle the other person
> because it didn't work.
But that takes the fun out of Usenet:-))
> That's just my opinion...I could be wrong!
Couldn't we all? :-))
--
Beav
Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
changes)
> because with a bike, the width of the contact patch is only 2-3 inches or so
> for each tire(it varies due to tire width, profile, etc.) compared to 6 or 8
> or more inches per tire on a 4 wheeled vehicle. Having 32 inches of tire for
> nails to find is allot different than having 4 inches.
>
> I have seen AMAZING saves from the use of 'Slime'! I recommend using