Posted by Schmoe on April 24, 2011, 6:51 pm
http://www.flixxy.com/zero-pollution-automobile.htm
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Posted by Big Ben on April 24, 2011, 9:58 pm
Schmoe shared:
> http://www.flixxy.com/zero-pollution-automobile.htm
wonderful idea in theory, but in practice, it's another coal powered
car...at least in areas that don't have "free" energy production or
nuclear power plants...don't get me wrong, I've got some great ideas
for "free" energy production, just not the funds nor the technical
know-how to make 'em fully feasible...
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Posted by tom koehler on April 26, 2011, 4:28 pm
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:58:11 -0500, Big Ben wrote
(in message
> www.flixxy.com/zero-pollution-automobile.htm
another issue for me is the tanks. Get in an accident and maybe the tanks go
bang. Very big bad bang.
One thing in particular teed me off in the video was when the narrator
started talking about perpetual motion... the onboard compressor making more
compressed air to recharge the tanks, and suggesting the thing would sustain
itself. Not ever gonna happen.
tom k.
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Posted by notat on April 27, 2011, 3:17 pm
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:28:48 -0500, tom koehler
>On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:58:11 -0500, Big Ben wrote
>(in message
>> www.flixxy.com/zero-pollution-automobile.htm
>another issue for me is the tanks. Get in an accident and maybe the tanks go
>bang. Very big bad bang.
I didn't catch what the psi was of those tanks, but I'm sure a high impact
pressure switch could be installed to protect people somewhat,
anyhow no worse that a propane run vehicle if exploded from a accident and
ignition source
>One thing in particular teed me off in the video was when the narrator
>started talking about perpetual motion... the onboard compressor making more
>compressed air to recharge the tanks, and suggesting the thing would sustain
>itself. Not ever gonna happen.
why not? you don't think we are at the point of developing a compressor
system that could literally put out more volume and higher psi than it would
take to run it?
>tom k.
Posted by tom koehler on April 27, 2011, 11:48 pm
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:17:56 -0500, notat@home.com wrote
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:28:48 -0500, tom koehler
>
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:58:11 -0500, Big Ben wrote
>> (in message
>>
>>> www.flixxy.com/zero-pollution-automobile.htm
>>
>> another issue for me is the tanks. Get in an accident and maybe the tanks
>> go
>> bang. Very big bad bang.
>
> I didn't catch what the psi was of those tanks, but I'm sure a high impact
> pressure switch could be installed to protect people somewhat,
> anyhow no worse that a propane run vehicle if exploded from a accident and
> ignition source
there is a possibility that the air pressure will be around 2000 pounds. Even
if the pressure were only 500 pounds, an impact to the tank will cause it to
rupture explosively. I have seen this on an air tank reservoir for a large
compressor. The explosion ripped the side of the truck open and trashed the
interior of the compressor bay. On a propane powered vehicle, the propane is
at about 200 pounds or less. There are two explosion possibilities here - a
fuel-air mix that would be spectacular, or a tank rupture with no ignition
source that would be a violent venting of the tank, similar to the ruptured
air tank on the aforementioned compressor. Maybe less violent, account of the
lower pressure.
>
>
>> One thing in particular teed me off in the video was when the narrator
>> started talking about perpetual motion... the onboard compressor making
>> more
>> compressed air to recharge the tanks, and suggesting the thing would
>> sustain
>> itself. Not ever gonna happen.
>
> why not? you don't think we are at the point of developing a compressor
> system that could literally put out more volume and higher psi than it would
> take to run it?
A fundamental law of thermodynamics says that you can not get more out of a
system than you put into it. Losses due to friction will consume some of the
energy, right off the top. Mechanical inefficiencies in the compressor and
the air motor will add other losses to the system. This is a variation on the
motor driving a generator gag, wherein the generator then supplies power back
to the motor. If these machines were perfect - no losses of any kind, then
the generator would provide only as much energy as the motor gave it in the
first place. There would be no energy left over to do any other thing.
tom k.
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>> tom k.
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