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HArd Starting Bike Update Sheep 07-23-2008
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Posted by Sheep on July 23, 2008, 9:04 pm


Barkeep. Something from that clear jar.

It's all my fault. I put on V&H true duals. Yep. Adding
"aftermarket" pipes even though I have the stock mufflers from the 103
kit has caused an extremely high compression to occur and that's why
my bike is hard to start. Yep. All my fault. Eliminating that
single cross over from the exhaust pipes did it.

HD Tech service is willing to discuss it further IF I am willing to
put my bike back to stock. Without that it's the exhaust's that
causing the issue. They also recommended a Super SERT.

They are willing to pick up the labor to install compression releases.
Which is not bad.

Compression releases.

Manual
Automatic

The tool for the manual version is about $250. The one for the auto
is $969. Figure dealer cost is say 55-60% of that.

Think my dealer has either. Think again. They are willing to pick up
the tool for the manual version. Not much difference in the actual
parts cost of the manual vs. auto releases so I start calling around.

Think anyone has the tool for the ACR? Nope. Guy at MB HD tells me
the Harley starter is crap and that includes the heavy duty version.
Then tells me to check it by turning off the bike with the kill switch
and leave it in gear. Then roll it back a bit to get it off the
compression stroke. Then start it. If that cures the problem then
its compression related and the releases will fix it.

If we weren't in the middle of a really nice thunderstorm I'd try it.
I definitely will tomorrow.


Dave (Dukes Sheep)
'07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS
"Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps

A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is topposting frowned upon?

Posted by Carl on July 23, 2008, 10:02 pm



> Barkeep. Something from that clear jar.
>
> It's all my fault. I put on V&H true duals. Yep. Adding
> "aftermarket" pipes even though I have the stock mufflers from the 103
> kit has caused an extremely high compression to occur and that's why
> my bike is hard to start. Yep. All my fault. Eliminating that
> single cross over from the exhaust pipes did it.
>
> HD Tech service is willing to discuss it further IF I am willing to
> put my bike back to stock. Without that it's the exhaust's that
> causing the issue. They also recommended a Super SERT.
>
> They are willing to pick up the labor to install compression releases.
> Which is not bad.
>
> Compression releases.
>

Interesting, I'd never thought a exhaust would cause to high of static
compression just by eliminating the cross over.

As far as dyno it shows that cross over isn't important. Jerry Branch of
Branch heads studied a exhaust with and with out. His words out of my
book.We removed the pipes and plugged the crossover tubes, this showed
almost no change at all in the power. But would probably show up on a
emissions test as diluting the unburned gases somewhat.

Good luck, my server is off tomorrow so I won't see a reply as to how much
more you gain, or not gain I'd get another opinion.
--



Carl
99 FLSTF
I started out with nothing and
I just about have that paid for

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Posted by Omar on July 23, 2008, 10:49 pm


Sheep wrote:

> Barkeep. Something from that clear jar.
>
> It's all my fault. I put on V&H true duals. Yep. Adding
> "aftermarket" pipes even though I have the stock mufflers from the 103
> kit has caused an extremely high compression to occur and that's why
> my bike is hard to start. Yep. All my fault. Eliminating that
> single cross over from the exhaust pipes did it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and call bullshit.
Sorry I don't have something more helpful for ya though.

Omar

Posted by Sheep on July 24, 2008, 12:24 pm


On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:49:14 GMT, Omar wrote:

>Sheep wrote:
>
>> Barkeep. Something from that clear jar.
>>
>> It's all my fault. I put on V&H true duals. Yep. Adding
>> "aftermarket" pipes even though I have the stock mufflers from the 103
>> kit has caused an extremely high compression to occur and that's why
>> my bike is hard to start. Yep. All my fault. Eliminating that
>> single cross over from the exhaust pipes did it.
>
>I'm gonna go out on a limb here and call bullshit.
>Sorry I don't have something more helpful for ya though.
>
>Omar

I tend to agree with you.


Dave (Dukes Sheep)
'07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS
"Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps

A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is topposting frowned upon?

Posted by TL \(at work\) on July 23, 2008, 11:31 pm



> It's all my fault. I put on V&H true duals. Yep. Adding
> "aftermarket" pipes even though I have the stock mufflers from the 103
> kit has caused an extremely high compression to occur and that's why
> my bike is hard to start. Yep. All my fault. Eliminating that
> single cross over from the exhaust pipes did it.

How far is yer dealer from Dillard? I not only have the V&Hs duals, I've got
their steenkeeng aftermarket mufflers. AND a ThunderMax! It's a wonder it
starts at all...... instead it fires on the first spin. Mebbe we oughta
swing by and ruin their whole day <g>

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