Posted by Tim Kreitz on August 15, 2010, 3:11 pm
> Yup! If it weren't for unions Americans would be working for the same
> wages, and living like Mexican or Chinese peasants and we wouldn't be having
> these problems ....
It's interesting that you decry market anarchism by pointing to places
in the world where the exact opposite economic practices have caused
ruin and misery for the average worker. Markets will always eventually
fail when enough coercion is consistently placed upon them by
unnatural outside forces like government mandate, mob rule (such as
unions), and other oligarchical interests. Unions are ultimately
utopian in their aim, and history is absolutely crystal clear in that
every past quest for utopia has led one society after another to
slavery and collapse. By that very same token, what we now call the
'Rust Belt' in America (Milwaukee included) was once the production
epicenter of the world. Sixty years later, it is the third world on
our continent.
As I have perused this thread, I'm astounded by some of what I read.
It seems the average American knows just enough (or less) about
economics to be dangerous. Perhaps that's why we find ourselves on the
verge of economic collapse in 2010. Very sad.
Cheers,
Tim Kreitz
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1973 Kawasaki S1A Mach I
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DoD #2184
Posted by John Stafford on August 16, 2010, 10:28 am
In article
> [... drivel snipped ...] By that very same token, what we now call the
> 'Rust Belt' in America (Milwaukee included) was once the production
> epicenter of the world. Sixty years later, it is the third world on
> our continent.
Wrong
> As I have perused this thread, I'm astounded by some of what I read.
> It seems the average American knows just enough (or less) about
> economics to be dangerous. Perhaps that's why we find ourselves on the
> verge of economic collapse in 2010. Very sad.
Your thinking is as garbled as your music.
Posted by Tim Kreitz on August 16, 2010, 12:21 pm
> Wrong
> Your thinking is as garbled as your music.
Translation: "I have no argument against these points, so I'll
marginalize and insult the poster. It'll help me feel better about my
loser status in life."
Get some talent, then you can feel free to mouth-off. Until then, I'd
tone that shit down if I were you.
Cheers,
Tim Kreitz
2004 Kawasaki ZRX1200R
2003 Kawasaki ZX7R
1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 Limited
1973 Kawasaki S1A Mach I
http://www.timkreitz.com
DoD #2184
Posted by S'mee on August 13, 2010, 11:47 am
> On 8/13/2010 6:33 AM, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
> > Talked to a friend living near Milwaukee and the Harley situation came
> > up. He stated that in the 1990's the entry wage at Harley, even floor
> > sweeper-types, was $22.50 an hour. HOG must move or go under.
> Why must they move or go under? It's not like they're competing on
> price with anybody. And where would they move to that would result in
> their dealing with a different labor union? China perhaps?
mexico!
Posted by Vito on August 13, 2010, 10:21 am
| Talked to a friend living near Milwaukee and the Harley situation came
| up. He stated that in the 1990's the entry wage at Harley, even floor
| sweeper-types, was $22.50 an hour. HOG must move or go under.
Such figures tend to include everything from sick leave, vacation & holidays
to company contributions to health insurance, social security, unemployment
insurance, et al, to a portion of supervisory/management wages prorated.
Usually more than double what the employee actually earns let alone takes
home.
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> wages, and living like Mexican or Chinese peasants and we wouldn't be having
> these problems ....