Posted by Schmoe on May 5, 2006, 8:16 am
Hot coffee on the pot, some of that fancy Hawaiian stuff. Grab a cup from
Shirley and help yourselves. Whiskey toppers available upon request.
'06 Ultra, 1,100 miles. Bike's been running rough at idle, particularly on
first start of the day for about 400 miles. Start it, wait a minute, rev a
couple of times and she'll either stall or do the rpm dip before recovering
to a hunt 'n seek idle varying 200+- rpm. A few times, after waiting a
minute of warm-up, she'll conk out while giving it 1st gear out of my
garage. A couple of times I was in a turn while doing this and almost
dropped it from the sudden loss of power. After she's warmed up, it's not
nearly as noticable. I'm sure most of you can relate to this but sometimes,
even though a symptom may not be very definable, you feel/know something's
not right with an engine.
Bike was in the shop this past week for it's 1k. Told them about the problem
but they didn't seem to interested. Mentioned again before picking it up and
they said it seemed fine to them. When I left the shop last night, it felt
the same (though it was already warm) but I wasnt' sure. This morning, start
up, same symptoms. (fwiw, new plugs part of 1k)
The only thing I noticed that may or may not have anything to do with it is
the exhaust. The visable baffle cone on the right pipe is black and sooty.
The left pipe is clean metal. Is that normal? Could I have a bad valve?
Otherwise, the bike "seems" to be running ok.
Cards on the bar if you're reading this after cocktail hour has started.
Thanks.
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Posted by Mike in PA on May 5, 2006, 8:57 am
> Hot coffee on the pot, some of that fancy Hawaiian stuff. Grab a cup from
> Shirley and help yourselves. Whiskey toppers available upon request.
> '06 Ultra, 1,100 miles. Bike's been running rough at idle, particularly on
> first start of the day for about 400 miles. Start it, wait a minute, rev a
> couple of times and she'll either stall or do the rpm dip before
> recovering to a hunt 'n seek idle varying 200+- rpm. A few times, after
> waiting a minute of warm-up, she'll conk out while giving it 1st gear out
> of my garage. A couple of times I was in a turn while doing this and
> almost dropped it from the sudden loss of power. After she's warmed up,
> it's not nearly as noticable. I'm sure most of you can relate to this but
> sometimes, even though a symptom may not be very definable, you feel/know
> something's not right with an engine.
> Bike was in the shop this past week for it's 1k. Told them about the
> problem but they didn't seem to interested. Mentioned again before picking
> it up and they said it seemed fine to them. When I left the shop last
> night, it felt the same (though it was already warm) but I wasnt' sure.
> This morning, start up, same symptoms. (fwiw, new plugs part of 1k)
> The only thing I noticed that may or may not have anything to do with it
> is the exhaust. The visable baffle cone on the right pipe is black and
> sooty. The left pipe is clean metal. Is that normal? Could I have a bad
> valve? Otherwise, the bike "seems" to be running ok.
> Cards on the bar if you're reading this after cocktail hour has started.
> Thanks.
> --
> Bruce... #128 BS#224
> RMH FAQ's - http://rmhfaq.com/
> http://www.brucegz.com (User ID/Password: ultra/guest)
I had a similar problem on my Eglide. Turned out to be moisture in the PC
III connection. If you put one on your bike try by-passing it to see if the
problem goes away then relocate it inside the ECM cover (not where they
suggest mounting it).
Posted by Gerry Gardiner on May 5, 2006, 9:18 am
I'm sure most of you can relate to this but
>> sometimes, even though a symptom may not be very definable, you feel/know
>> something's not right with an engine.
You're right. The bike's not running right at all.
>>
>> Bike was in the shop this past week for it's 1k. Told them about the
>> problem but they didn't seem to interested. >>
There's the problem. You shouldn't have to deal with this here.
It could be anything from a temperature sensor to
some dirt stuck in the fuel injector, to moisture. I had a moisture problem
once,
It ran rough for about 3 days, slowing improving till it ran normal again.
Never located where it was and it's never happened again.
But your problem has gone on much longer. Moisture does go away.
The bikes under warranty. Tell the service manager your bike's not right
and you want it sorted out.
If he balks at all ask for a Factory rep to arrange a meeting with the two
of you.
The visible baffle cone on the right pipe is black and
>> sooty. The left pipe is clean metal. Is that normal?
One pipe on a bike with 1000 miles has soot in it and the
other is clean? Of course that's not normal.
Posted by TL Mitchell on May 5, 2006, 11:57 am
Hey Asshole!
> '06 Ultra, 1,100 miles. Bike's been running rough at idle, particularly on
> first start of the day for about 400 miles. Start it, wait a minute, rev a
> couple of times and she'll either stall or do the rpm dip before
> recovering to a hunt 'n seek idle varying 200+- rpm. A few times, after
> waiting a minute of warm-up, she'll conk out while giving it 1st gear out
> of my garage.
Tain't right... oughta be smooth as silk. Mine fires up, idles smooth at
around 1050 to 1100 rpms fer a minute or so and after the first blip it
settles down to 950 and stays there. Never a cough, fart or stumble......
which is the way EFI is *s'posed* to be.
As someone else pointed out, could be as simple as some crud on an injector
or sensor. Compare the cold startup to Bob's this weekend and you'll see the
difference.... assuming his is running correctly. <stay in back of him on
rides though!> <sfsf>
>A couple of times I was in a turn while doing this and almost dropped it
>from the sudden loss of power.
BTDT, might as well throw it over on it's side and get that first one over
with. Make sure Terry H. is there to help ya pick it up, he's got
experience. <g> Them passenger grab bars on the '05 & earlier are handy fer
those things.
> Bike was in the shop this past week for it's 1k. Told them about the
> problem but they didn't seem to interested. Mentioned again before picking
> it up and they said it seemed fine to them. When I left the shop last
> night, it felt the same (though it was already warm) but I wasnt' sure.
> This morning, start up, same symptoms. (fwiw, new plugs part of 1k)
You're probably gonna have to leave it overnight for 'em to duplicate on a
cold engine.
> The only thing I noticed that may or may not have anything to do with it
> is the exhaust. The visable baffle cone on the right pipe is black and
> sooty. The left pipe is clean metal. Is that normal?
Considering 70% of your exhaust is coming out the right side I'd expect it
to be cruddier..... dunno if I'd expect much soot at 1k though. Mebbe a
sensor snafu has it running kinda rich. The left one will always be cleaner
cuz the crossover diverts the bulk of exhaust down the right side.
>Could I have a bad valve?
As you put some miles on it keep an eye on the oil level and the plugs. If
you start using oil and the plugs get really carboned up it may be a sign of
leaky valve seals, known problem with '05s and early '06s. I was using a qt
of oil in 900 miles and got the valve seals replaced with the updated ones.
Doesn't appear to be using much oil between changes now but the front plug
is still showing some signs of oil.
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Posted by Schmoe on May 5, 2006, 12:18 pm
TL Mitchell wrote:
> Hey Asshole!
Yo! Uhhh never mind that's someone else.
>> Bike's been running rough at idle,
>> particularly on first start of the day for about 400 miles.
> Tain't right... oughta be smooth as silk. Mine fires up, idles smooth
> at around 1050 to 1100 rpms fer a minute or so and after the first
> blip it settles down to 950 and stays there. Never a cough, fart or
> stumble...... which is the way EFI is *s'posed* to be.
> As someone else pointed out, could be as simple as some crud on an
> injector or sensor. Compare the cold startup to Bob's this weekend
> and you'll see the difference.... assuming his is running correctly.
> <stay in back of him on rides though!> <sfsf>
I'll gladly stay behind Julie but Bob? Not.
>> A couple of times I was in a turn while doing this and almost
>> dropped it from the sudden loss of power.
> BTDT, might as well throw it over on it's side and get that first one
> over with.
Truth be told...More to this stupidity IRL this summer.
> You're probably gonna have to leave it overnight for 'em to duplicate
> on a cold engine.
They had it for 4 nights this week. Svc Mgr said he started it cold
yesterday. Sounds lazy too me.
>> Could I have a bad valve?
> As you put some miles on it keep an eye on the oil level and the
> plugs. If you start using oil and the plugs get really carboned up it
> may be a sign of leaky valve seals, known problem with '05s and early
> '06s. I was using a qt of oil in 900 miles and got the valve seals
> replaced with the updated ones. Doesn't appear to be using much oil
> between changes now but the front plug is still showing some signs of
> oil.
Bingo! Didn't know about the history part but the 1st time I checked the
oil, around 600-700 miles, it was down a full quart. Wasn't sure if that was
the shop or the engine's fault but popped the quart in. Coincidence? Where
have you heard about the valve seal issue on '05's/early '06's?
Thanks, TL. Solid advice as always. Thanks to Mike & Gerry for their
responses too. HAROM.
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> Shirley and help yourselves. Whiskey toppers available upon request.
> '06 Ultra, 1,100 miles. Bike's been running rough at idle, particularly on
> first start of the day for about 400 miles. Start it, wait a minute, rev a
> couple of times and she'll either stall or do the rpm dip before
> recovering to a hunt 'n seek idle varying 200+- rpm. A few times, after
> waiting a minute of warm-up, she'll conk out while giving it 1st gear out
> of my garage. A couple of times I was in a turn while doing this and
> almost dropped it from the sudden loss of power. After she's warmed up,
> it's not nearly as noticable. I'm sure most of you can relate to this but
> sometimes, even though a symptom may not be very definable, you feel/know
> something's not right with an engine.
> Bike was in the shop this past week for it's 1k. Told them about the
> problem but they didn't seem to interested. Mentioned again before picking
> it up and they said it seemed fine to them. When I left the shop last
> night, it felt the same (though it was already warm) but I wasnt' sure.
> This morning, start up, same symptoms. (fwiw, new plugs part of 1k)
> The only thing I noticed that may or may not have anything to do with it
> is the exhaust. The visable baffle cone on the right pipe is black and
> sooty. The left pipe is clean metal. Is that normal? Could I have a bad
> valve? Otherwise, the bike "seems" to be running ok.
> Cards on the bar if you're reading this after cocktail hour has started.
> Thanks.
> --
> Bruce... #128 BS#224
> RMH FAQ's - http://rmhfaq.com/
> http://www.brucegz.com (User ID/Password: ultra/guest)