Posted by Snag on June 25, 2009, 10:17 pm
I'm still havin' issues with the voltage readings ... and here's what I'm
considering doing to solve them .
I purchased a pair of Bosch-type relays , 30/40 amp units . I'me pretty
sure (gotta check the pinout to be certain) one will plug directly into the
OEM start relay plug - that original has GOT to be tired by now . And it's
rated the same for current-carrying capacity .
The other is going to be wired to (probably) handle the passing lamps only
, since they seem to draw the most current - headlights are about equal in
current draw/voltage drop . These will be wired to the NC contacts , the
ones that make when the relay energize coil is dead . The power side will be
wired directly to the battery via a 30 amp breaker . Well , actually to the
bat/regulator term on the input side of the main brkr .
I'm wondering about the wisdom of putting the headlights on that circuit
too ... it would for sure give them full battery voltage , which is a Good
Thing . It would also give me one more point for a potential failure ,
which is a Bad Thing . The fact that it will be wired for "default ON" gives
me some confidence ...
This circuit will be fed to the breaker(s) in the fairing with a 12 ga
wire , which is already in place . I ran it parallel with the main feed wire
shortly after buying the bike , in an effort to solve the problem I'm
working on right now - obviously it didn't work .
Thoughts ? Modifications to my plan ? Am I being too anal ??
Shirley a round is in order whilst we ponder these weighty matters !
--
Snag
New back tire comin' on tuesday
so I'll already have the bags off ...
(the E3 on there now has over
15k which is a record for me !)
Posted by Old Crow on June 26, 2009, 6:20 am
> I'm still havin' issues with the voltage readings ... and here's what I'm
> considering doing to solve them .
> I purchased a pair of Bosch-type relays , 30/40 amp units . I'me pretty
> sure (gotta check the pinout to be certain) one will plug directly into
> the OEM start relay plug - that original has GOT to be tired by now . And
> it's rated the same for current-carrying capacity .
> The other is going to be wired to (probably) handle the passing lamps
> only , since they seem to draw the most current - headlights are about
> equal in current draw/voltage drop . These will be wired to the NC
> contacts , the ones that make when the relay energize coil is dead . The
> power side will be wired directly to the battery via a 30 amp breaker .
> Well , actually to the bat/regulator term on the input side of the main
> brkr .
> I'm wondering about the wisdom of putting the headlights on that circuit
> too ... it would for sure give them full battery voltage , which is a Good
> Thing . It would also give me one more point for a potential failure ,
> which is a Bad Thing . The fact that it will be wired for "default ON"
> gives me some confidence ...
> This circuit will be fed to the breaker(s) in the fairing with a 12 ga
> wire , which is already in place . I ran it parallel with the main feed
> wire shortly after buying the bike , in an effort to solve the problem I'm
> working on right now - obviously it didn't work .
> Thoughts ? Modifications to my plan ? Am I being too anal ??
> Shirley a round is in order whilst we ponder these weighty matters !
> --
> Snag
> New back tire comin' on tuesday
> so I'll already have the bags off ...
> (the E3 on there now has over
> 15k which is a record for me !)
I think I already asked this, but have you subbed out a different gauge to
see if it's not just a bad gauge?
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC(P) 'Mistress Pearl'
'87 FLTC 'Fugly'
'61 F-100
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, SLOB#13, MAMBM
Posted by Snag on June 26, 2009, 6:56 am
Old Crow wrote:
>> I'm still havin' issues with the voltage readings ... and here's
>> what I'm considering doing to solve them .
>> I purchased a pair of Bosch-type relays , 30/40 amp units . I'me
>> pretty sure (gotta check the pinout to be certain) one will plug
>> directly into the OEM start relay plug - that original has GOT to be
>> tired by now . And it's rated the same for current-carrying
>> capacity . The other is going to be wired to (probably) handle the
>> passing lamps only , since they seem to draw the most current -
>> headlights are about equal in current draw/voltage drop . These will
>> be wired to the NC contacts , the ones that make when the relay
>> energize coil is dead . The power side will be wired directly to the
>> battery via a 30 amp breaker . Well , actually to the bat/regulator
>> term on the input side of the main brkr .
>> I'm wondering about the wisdom of putting the headlights on that
>> circuit too ... it would for sure give them full battery voltage ,
>> which is a Good Thing . It would also give me one more point for a
>> potential failure , which is a Bad Thing . The fact that it will be
>> wired for "default ON" gives me some confidence ...
>> This circuit will be fed to the breaker(s) in the fairing with a 12
>> ga wire , which is already in place . I ran it parallel with the
>> main feed wire shortly after buying the bike , in an effort to solve
>> the problem I'm working on right now - obviously it didn't work .
>> Thoughts ? Modifications to my plan ? Am I being too anal ??
>> Shirley a round is in order whilst we ponder these weighty matters !
>> --
>> Snag
>> New back tire comin' on tuesday
>> so I'll already have the bags off ...
>> (the E3 on there now has over
>> 15k which is a record for me !)
>>
> I think I already asked this, but have you subbed out a different
> gauge to see if it's not just a bad gauge?
You didn't , but somebody else did ... compared to my VOM , it reads a
little low at 12 volts , but it's not off *that* far . I think there might
be some connector blocks in the harness that could stand cleaning , but I'm
not going to strip the whole bike down to find them - right now . When I
take it apart for paint ... hopefully next winter , during dec/jan/feb .
--
Snag
every answer
leads to another
question
Posted by nospam on June 26, 2009, 7:55 am
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:17:39 -0500, in rec.motorcycles.harley you
wrote:
> I'm still havin' issues with the voltage readings ... and here's what I'm
I assume you did the alt AC output check already
> This circuit will be fed to the breaker(s) in the fairing with a 12 ga
>wire , which is already in place . I ran it parallel with the main feed wire
>shortly after buying the bike , in an effort to solve the problem I'm
>working on right now - obviously it didn't work .
> Thoughts ? Modifications to my plan ? Am I being too anal ??
over kill? 12g wire is HUGE, and unless you have found bad wiring IMHO
your wasting your time over voltage issues, anyhow overkill is better
than not.
but if I did anything, I would run headlights as well as a relay
system (seperate from the passing lamps), you can get a few more
candles burning out of them(actually it is pretty damn noticeable),
because you wont have the voltage drop through the wireing harness,
and THAT would take the strain off you factory wiring. just drop the
relay setup right behind the headlight, there is plenty of room there
adding breakers is fine, but it will do nothing to help your voltage
issues as you know.
again find the cause of the voltage issues could be as simple as the
alt
> Shirley a round is in order whilst we ponder these weighty matters !
--
Posted by Snag on June 26, 2009, 5:30 pm
nospam@home.com wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:17:39 -0500, in rec.motorcycles.harley you
> wrote:
>> I'm still havin' issues with the voltage readings ... and here's
>> what I'm
> I assume you did the alt AC output check already
Oh yeah , got 14+ at the battery at anything over 1800 Rpm's , no matter
what the load .
>> This circuit will be fed to the breaker(s) in the fairing with a 12
>> ga wire , which is already in place . I ran it parallel with the
>> main feed wire shortly after buying the bike , in an effort to solve
>> the problem I'm working on right now - obviously it didn't work .
>> Thoughts ? Modifications to my plan ? Am I being too anal ??
> over kill? 12g wire is HUGE, and unless you have found bad wiring IMHO
> your wasting your time over voltage issues, anyhow overkill is better
> than not.
> but if I did anything, I would run headlights as well as a relay
> system (seperate from the passing lamps), you can get a few more
> candles burning out of them(actually it is pretty damn noticeable),
> because you wont have the voltage drop through the wireing harness,
> and THAT would take the strain off you factory wiring. just drop the
> relay setup right behind the headlight, there is plenty of room there
> adding breakers is fine, but it will do nothing to help your voltage
> issues as you know.
> again find the cause of the voltage issues could be as simple as the
> alt
>> Shirley a round is in order whilst we ponder these weighty matters !
I'm not just adding a breaker , I want to feed the lights (all of 'em)
from a separate circuit fed directly from the battery . The relay is to turn
'em all off while the starter is engaged . That 12 ga wire is already in
place , might as well use it ! I'm familiar with the issues over getting as
much voltage/current to the lights as I can , and the difference in
brightness I'll get by doing this . I can see the headlight dim when I apply
the brakes ... and I don't even wanna talk about the turn signals .
--
Snag
every answer
leads to another
question
> considering doing to solve them .
> I purchased a pair of Bosch-type relays , 30/40 amp units . I'me pretty
> sure (gotta check the pinout to be certain) one will plug directly into
> the OEM start relay plug - that original has GOT to be tired by now . And
> it's rated the same for current-carrying capacity .
> The other is going to be wired to (probably) handle the passing lamps
> only , since they seem to draw the most current - headlights are about
> equal in current draw/voltage drop . These will be wired to the NC
> contacts , the ones that make when the relay energize coil is dead . The
> power side will be wired directly to the battery via a 30 amp breaker .
> Well , actually to the bat/regulator term on the input side of the main
> brkr .
> I'm wondering about the wisdom of putting the headlights on that circuit
> too ... it would for sure give them full battery voltage , which is a Good
> Thing . It would also give me one more point for a potential failure ,
> which is a Bad Thing . The fact that it will be wired for "default ON"
> gives me some confidence ...
> This circuit will be fed to the breaker(s) in the fairing with a 12 ga
> wire , which is already in place . I ran it parallel with the main feed
> wire shortly after buying the bike , in an effort to solve the problem I'm
> working on right now - obviously it didn't work .
> Thoughts ? Modifications to my plan ? Am I being too anal ??
> Shirley a round is in order whilst we ponder these weighty matters !
> --
> Snag
> New back tire comin' on tuesday
> so I'll already have the bags off ...
> (the E3 on there now has over
> 15k which is a record for me !)