Posted by Anonymous on July 25, 2008, 6:45 pm
>>Turby wrote:
>>
>>>> Because, usually, the previous year models are all sold by now.
>>>
>>> unh, Bob? You do realize how astoundingly illogical that sentence is,
>>> don't you?
>>
>>The dealers' supply is essentially "rationed". Each dealer is
>>allocated so many of each model. Some models sell out quickly,
>>even before they're delivered... sometimes even before they're built.
> So? The company builds X number of 2008 bikes. They are built between
> June of '07 and June of '08. The comapny builds X number of 2009
> bikes. They are built between June of '08 and June of '09. And so on.
> Say the company has a down year and completes its production schedule
> in March of one year. Does that mean the next year's production starts
> in March? Say the company has a boom year. Production is still cut off
> at June, because that's _when the company has decided_ to introduce
> the next year's models. If this years models weren't all sold, would
> the company push back introduction? How far? Does the new introduction
> depend on the entire fleet being sold? C'mon. The allocations are
> done based on new production starting in June, not the other way
> around.
> --
> Turby the Turbosurfer
I kinda' thought that - "put me on a mile long list, just so I
can sit on a Harley" MO was a thing of the long lost past.
All my Harley friends seem to just walk in and ride out.
Frequently, they'll buy out of town/state. But that's due
to price, not availability.
Posted by Bob Mann on July 26, 2008, 12:30 am
@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:
> I kinda' thought that - "put me on a mile long list, just so I
> can sit on a Harley" MO was a thing of the long lost past.
>
> All my Harley friends seem to just walk in and ride out.
>
> Frequently, they'll buy out of town/state. But that's due
> to price, not availability.
>
>
The only reason there are any bikes left in our dealership at all is
because the owner has been wheeling and dealing to bring some in from other
dealers.
I did notice in the US that there were a LOT of unsold new bikes in most
dealerships.
Why do they start with the new bikes now instead of much later?
Could be that half the continent only rides this time of year so there is a
little excitement and anticipation.
If they came out in winter who would care?
--
Bob Mann
Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r.
Posted by Turby on July 26, 2008, 2:27 am
wrote:
>Why do they start with the new bikes now instead of much later?
>Could be that half the continent only rides this time of year so there is a
>little excitement and anticipation.
>If they came out in winter who would care?
I'll buy that argument.
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
Posted by Bob Mann on July 26, 2008, 8:44 am
> wrote:
>
>>Why do they start with the new bikes now instead of much later?
>>Could be that half the continent only rides this time of year so there
>>is a little excitement and anticipation.
>>If they came out in winter who would care?
>
> I'll buy that argument.
>
Not to say I don't think it could be a bit later.
A lot of people around here don't start shopping for a bike until almost
riding season.
By then most of the choices are limited and a lot of them don't get the
bike they want because we can't change our orders enough to suit the
demand.
Hence, we already have a bunch of '09s pre-sold before anyone knew what was
coming.
Little funny aside.
When the new models were announced, the model shown on the Sportster page
was the 1200R which had just been discontinued. (Which many of us thought
was their best Sporty) It's since been replaced by the Nightster.
--
Bob Mann
Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r.
Posted by Calgary on July 26, 2008, 10:54 am
wrote:
>@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:
>> I kinda' thought that - "put me on a mile long list, just so I
>> can sit on a Harley" MO was a thing of the long lost past.
>>
>> All my Harley friends seem to just walk in and ride out.
>>
>> Frequently, they'll buy out of town/state. But that's due
>> to price, not availability.
>>
>>
>The only reason there are any bikes left in our dealership at all is
>because the owner has been wheeling and dealing to bring some in from other
>dealers.
>I did notice in the US that there were a LOT of unsold new bikes in most
>dealerships.
>Why do they start with the new bikes now instead of much later?
>Could be that half the continent only rides this time of year so there is a
>little excitement and anticipation.
>If they came out in winter who would care?
Actually I would. I like going to the motorcycle shows in the winter
to see, among other things, the new models. From a marketing
perspective shiny new American Iron on the showroom floor might
stimulate some interest and generate floor traffic in the dealership
during those dreary winter days.
A case could be made for either side of this discussion.
--
See Ya On The Road
2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium
2004 HD Road King
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take,
but by the moments that take our breath away.
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>>
>>>> Because, usually, the previous year models are all sold by now.
>>>
>>> unh, Bob? You do realize how astoundingly illogical that sentence is,
>>> don't you?
>>
>>The dealers' supply is essentially "rationed". Each dealer is
>>allocated so many of each model. Some models sell out quickly,
>>even before they're delivered... sometimes even before they're built.
> So? The company builds X number of 2008 bikes. They are built between
> June of '07 and June of '08. The comapny builds X number of 2009
> bikes. They are built between June of '08 and June of '09. And so on.
> Say the company has a down year and completes its production schedule
> in March of one year. Does that mean the next year's production starts
> in March? Say the company has a boom year. Production is still cut off
> at June, because that's _when the company has decided_ to introduce
> the next year's models. If this years models weren't all sold, would
> the company push back introduction? How far? Does the new introduction
> depend on the entire fleet being sold? C'mon. The allocations are
> done based on new production starting in June, not the other way
> around.
> --
> Turby the Turbosurfer