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Advice About Electrical Problem (Honda Shadow 600, 2006) David T. Ashley 08-09-2008
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Posted by David T. Ashley on August 9, 2008, 11:03 pm


Finished my dinner with a female friend, went out to ride back home, found
out starter motor would not engage. Tried various combinations of this and
that to rule out safety switches on kickstand and transmission. No luck.
Friend pointed out that no headlight. Tried Hi-Beam -- inoperative also.

Suspected that electrical issue would not necessarily extend to coil (since
I had taillight and front markers), tried push-starting bike. Worked,
thankfully. On the short ride back home, got stopped by the police, which
required me to stop the bike. The officers watched with some pity as I had
to push-start it again after we had the traditional police/motorist
interaction.

Anyway, here are my questions:

a)My guess would be a fuse, and that the same fuse serves the headlight as
the starter. I would guess the fuse failed on the ride over to the
restaurant, but I had no reason to notice. Is this guess reasonable?

b)Do motorcycles use the same fuses as cars? (If it is a fuse and I find
it, is Walmart going to be able to meet my needs?)

c)Anything else I should know or be aware of?

Thanks for all, Dave A.


Posted by Bob Myers on August 9, 2008, 11:27 pm



> a)My guess would be a fuse, and that the same fuse serves the headlight as
> the starter. I would guess the fuse failed on the ride over to the
> restaurant, but I had no reason to notice. Is this guess reasonable?

Did the headlight come back once you got the bike started?
If not, you're probably on the right track - but I wouldn't have
expected a single fuse to be handling both starter and headlight,
so my first thought was "weak battery." A bad ignition key switch
(at least some contacts out) is also a possibilitiy.

> b)Do motorcycles use the same fuses as cars? (If it is a fuse and I find
> it, is Walmart going to be able to meet my needs?)

Usually.

If you're guessing a fuse, though, why didn't you check the
fuse right then and there?

Bob M.



Posted by David T. Ashley on August 10, 2008, 12:23 am


>
>> a)My guess would be a fuse, and that the same fuse serves the headlight
>> as the starter. I would guess the fuse failed on the ride over to the
>> restaurant, but I had no reason to notice. Is this guess reasonable?
>
> Did the headlight come back once you got the bike started?

No. That is why I got stopped by the police. I was tooling down the
country road in pitch black with no headlight. I was taking it on faith
that there were no obstacles, as the cars ahead of me were doing OK.

> If not, you're probably on the right track - but I wouldn't have
> expected a single fuse to be handling both starter and headlight,
> so my first thought was "weak battery." A bad ignition key switch
> (at least some contacts out) is also a possibilitiy.

I forgot that I have the shop manual. You are right about the
fuses--nothing in common. But in reviewing the schematic, I did discover
something interesting ... the starter button also appears to black out the
headlight while cranking (based on the schematic--I've never noticed that
this does or does not happen on the bike). But in any case, if the
connector involved were to come loose (several conductors), it looks like
the headlight would not work and the starter motor wouldn't crank (no juice
to the solenoid). Pending more information, the starter switch and
surrounding wiring is my prime suspect.

So, what I'll do in order is:

a)Check all the fuses (just in case two blew or something like this).

b)Locate the connector from the starter switch and look for anomalies there.

c)Trace the headlamp problem and see where it leads (it would probably also
lead to the starter problem).

I actually have a BSEE and an MSEE and truthfully, I hate wires. I also
hate the wiring diagram from Honda which is a rat's nest. What screws it up
is that Honda has to show the connectors as well, which leads to a rat's
nest layout.

Looks like me an my voltmeter may be spending some quality time together
next week.

>> b)Do motorcycles use the same fuses as cars? (If it is a fuse and I find
>> it, is Walmart going to be able to meet my needs?)
>
> Usually.
>
> If you're guessing a fuse, though, why didn't you check the
> fuse right then and there?

Night, and even though I have a flashlight, aren't even sure where the fuses
are. Will be finding out now, though.


Posted by Beauregard T. Shagnasty on August 10, 2008, 12:55 am


David T. Ashley wrote:

> I was tooling down the country road in pitch black with no headlight.

Sweet...

> But in reviewing the schematic, I did discover something interesting
> ... the starter button also appears to black out the headlight while
> cranking (based on the schematic--I've never noticed that this does
> or does not happen on the bike).

That is rather common. All my motorcycles that have no headlight
switches do that... including my 1981...

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows

Posted by Stupendous Man on August 10, 2008, 2:28 am


>> I was tooling down the country road in pitch black with no headlight.

I think I saw you near Oakhurst, Ca about 8PM tonight.

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