Posted by Road Glidin' Don on September 9, 2008, 9:27 pm
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:52:29 -0400, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>David T. Ashley wrote:
>> Great learner bike (2006 Honda Shadow 600).
>Some might think otherwise.
>Find her a small standard motorcycle, such as a Kawasaki EX250 or 500,
>or a Honda Nighthawk. Anything without forward controls. A cruiser is
>not a good starter bike.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB250
>http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id 0
I have to agree with BTS. Cruisers with forward controls are best
left to only the most skilled riders among us.
Posted by MikeWhy on September 10, 2008, 11:32 pm
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:52:29 -0400, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>>David T. Ashley wrote:
>>
>>> Great learner bike (2006 Honda Shadow 600).
>>
>>Some might think otherwise.
>>
>>Find her a small standard motorcycle, such as a Kawasaki EX250 or 500,
>>or a Honda Nighthawk. Anything without forward controls. A cruiser is
>>not a good starter bike.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB250
>>http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id 0
> I have to agree with BTS. Cruisers with forward controls are best
> left to only the most skilled riders among us.
I wonder if you can help me out, Don. I'm having the hardest time finding
just the right set for the Sprint. Thought I would look at a set of ape
hangers, too, while I was poking around those sites. They look really
great... wondering now more than ever why more people don't use 'em. Anyway,
you know how I am with chrome bling on my bike. Wondered if you knew of
anyone who sells them in asphalt powdercoat.
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Andrzej Rosa on September 9, 2008, 7:10 am
Dnia 2008-09-09 David T. Ashley napisał(a):
>>
>> At least he is doing something. I've a fried who bought my old bike,
>> and despite me reminding him at plenty of occasions to do some basic
>> maintenance, he's got no time...
> Three things:
> a)I want to minimize my downtime during the warm weather, so I'd prefer to
> check it all over the Winter.
> b)A bike ain't a car. If my truck loses a wheel, I might laugh about it
> after a slide. I don't think I'd be laughing if there were any sort of a
> structural failure on a bike. Keeping an eye on things seems prudent.
> c)I don't see any reason to trash a piece of machinery unnecessarily. That
> thing was sold to me by a colleague for about $4,050 (from memory). It is
> cheap and doesn't perform especially well, but it has been great at
> tolerating spills and so forth with me just having to replace bolt-on parts
> (thankfully, my riding has become better and no spills recently). I don't
> see any reason to leave corrosion untreated, etc.
All good pretexts, I can't find a fault in them, but you didn't mention
a real reason yet. ;-)
You'll make a biker all right. At least you have one crucial skill down
pat. No biker can survive without an ability to skillfully rationalize
whatever he is doing to himself or his bike. ;-)
> I'm actually going to run it out to one of my mom's friends (in her 50's)
> this weekend and loan it out until the Winter starts. Her and her hubby are
> taking the MSF basic rider course this weekend. She survived breast cancer
> a few years back (the whole ugly package--surgery + chemo) and she is kind
> of going through her "I'm glad to be alive" list.
Wise lady. I like her already.
> Great learner bike (2006 Honda Shadow 600). It will get you on the freeway
> but it doesn't have excessive power.
> I emphasized to her that it has been "pre-crashed" for her, so she doesn't
> necessarily have to ...
I'd buy a bike from you. Even if it was a slightly crashed Shadow. ;-)
--
Andrzej Rosa
Posted by David T. Ashley on September 9, 2008, 11:20 am
> You'll make a biker all right. At least you have one crucial skill down
> pat. No biker can survive without an ability to skillfully rationalize
> whatever he is doing to himself or his bike. ;-)
That sums up all of human nature, not just bikers. Have you ever had
exposure to Dale Carnegie's classic work, "How to Win Friends and Influence
People"?
Carnegie essentially makes the argument that there is no right way to win a
dispute. If you win, you've really lost. All about human psychological
defense mechanisms.
>> I'm actually going to run it out to one of my mom's friends (in her 50's)
>> this weekend and loan it out until the Winter starts. Her and her hubby
>> are
>> taking the MSF basic rider course this weekend. She survived breast
>> cancer
>> a few years back (the whole ugly package--surgery + chemo) and she is
>> kind
>> of going through her "I'm glad to be alive" list.
> Wise lady. I like her already.
>> Great learner bike (2006 Honda Shadow 600). It will get you on the
>> freeway
>> but it doesn't have excessive power.
>>
>> I emphasized to her that it has been "pre-crashed" for her, so she
>> doesn't
>> necessarily have to ...
> I'd buy a bike from you. Even if it was a slightly crashed Shadow. ;-)
As a seller, you SHOULD trust me.
The important point for me is just full disclosure. I'd gladly tell a buyer
that I kissed the concrete 3 times but nothing made it to the frame, and the
steering stem and all has been inspected.
I don't believe in withholding information. Everyone has the right to
determine the limits of their own safety. Full disclosure is part of that
package.
Posted by Andrzej Rosa on September 9, 2008, 4:36 pm
Dnia 2008-09-09 David T. Ashley napisał(a):
>>
>> You'll make a biker all right. At least you have one crucial skill down
>> pat. No biker can survive without an ability to skillfully rationalize
>> whatever he is doing to himself or his bike. ;-)
> That sums up all of human nature, not just bikers. Have you ever had
> exposure to Dale Carnegie's classic work, "How to Win Friends and Influence
> People"?
> Carnegie essentially makes the argument that there is no right way to win a
> dispute. If you win, you've really lost. All about human psychological
> defense mechanisms.
I didn't have the pleasure of reading this guy, and he might have a
point. Though, to be honest, I don't really think that winning disputes
is useless. If it was, we wouldn't dispute and try so hard to actually
win them. We dispute for, say, 50 000 years. Time enough for natural
selection to weed out "unfit" disputees.
>> I'd buy a bike from you. Even if it was a slightly crashed Shadow. ;-)
> As a seller, you SHOULD trust me.
> The important point for me is just full disclosure. I'd gladly tell a buyer
> that I kissed the concrete 3 times but nothing made it to the frame, and the
> steering stem and all has been inspected.
> I don't believe in withholding information. Everyone has the right to
> determine the limits of their own safety. Full disclosure is part of that
> package.
It is, and it often works, I agree. Though do not expect the same
behavior from everybody who may sell you a bike. Other strategies also
work...
--
Andrzej Rosa
>> Great learner bike (2006 Honda Shadow 600).
>Some might think otherwise.
>Find her a small standard motorcycle, such as a Kawasaki EX250 or 500,
>or a Honda Nighthawk. Anything without forward controls. A cruiser is
>not a good starter bike.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB250
>http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id 0