Posted by Odinn on July 16, 2010, 1:27 am
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>>>>>>>> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley?
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>>>>>>> Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded
>>>>>>> identical.
>>>>>>> 45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods.
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>>>>>> That's the one that got them sued for copyright infringement (if I
>>>>>> remember right. Perhaps it was patent infringement.)
>>>>>> HD apparently owns that sound.
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>>>>> I believe they *tried* to sue, claiming the Harley sound was a
>>>>> trademark, but they failed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll be able
>>>>> to show me the error of my ways via some proof.
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>>>> No, they sued, but I don't know the outcome.
>>>> It doesn't take more than the blowing of some wind to file a suit.
>>>> As far as proof goes, I have none, and don't intend on researching
>>>> this, since I could care less about the topic (read HD.)
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>>> The end result is that Harley actually *don't* own that sound though
>>> and that was the point.
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>>>>> They DID manage to trademark the "Hog" name though.
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>>>> Great, that's awesome.
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>>> Innit? :-)
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>> See how internet rumours get started? Harley never sued another
>> motorcycle manufacturer about the sound of the engine. They DID sue a
>> Toy manufacturer that RECORDED a Harley engine and played it back.
>> Harley DID win that suit. This is the only suit in which Harley sued
>> someone about the sound of the engine.
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> I recall the threat of the suit, if not the actual suit against Yamaha.
> Odinn, great God, you've killed all the fun. :-)
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I think what everyone here is confusing is that Harley tried to
trademark their sound, like MGM trademarked the sound of the lion roar.
On 1 February 1994, the company filed its trademark application with the
following description: "The mark consists of the exhaust sound of
applicant's motorcycles, produced by V-twin, common crankpin motorcycle
engines when the goods are in use".
What resulted was that 9 other motorcycle manufacturers filed opposition
to the trademark application. After 6 years of litigation between
Harley trying to get the trademark and the other manufacturers fighting
against the trademark, Harley withdrew the trademark application.
Harley didn't sue any other motorcycle manufacturer about the sound.
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Posted by The Older Gentleman on July 16, 2010, 2:26 am
> See how internet rumours get started? Harley never sued another
> motorcycle manufacturer about the sound of the engine. They DID sue a
> Toy manufacturer that RECORDED a Harley engine and played it back.
> Harley DID win that suit. This is the only suit in which Harley sued
> someone about the sound of the engine.
He's right. and Harley only *considered* trying to patent the
potato-potato sound.
I blame 9/11, myself.
<Postscript after raeding further>
Patent, trademark.....
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Posted by don (Calgary) on July 14, 2010, 7:25 pm
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:09:12 +0100, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley?
>Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded identical.
>45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods.
If you are thinking about the 1700 Roadstar, not even close. Try as
they might to make them sound like Harleys, Roadstar owners just
succeed in making their bikes louder.
Posted by sean_q_ on July 14, 2010, 7:32 pm
don (Calgary) wrote:
> If you are thinking about the 1700 Roadstar, not even close. Try as
> they might to make them sound like Harleys, Roadstar owners just
> succeed in making their bikes louder.
What about the Road Liner?
SQ
Posted by don (Calgary) on July 14, 2010, 10:05 pm
>don (Calgary) wrote:
>> If you are thinking about the 1700 Roadstar, not even close. Try as
>> they might to make them sound like Harleys, Roadstar owners just
>> succeed in making their bikes louder.
>What about the Road Liner?
>SQ
I haven't heard any of the liners with after market pipes. Certainly
the stock pipes don't sound like a Harley. In fact to my mind they
don't sound like a motorcycle.
That motor is a roll on demon though. You could pull a house with that
thing.
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>> Beav wrote:
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>>>>>>>> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded
>>>>>>> identical.
>>>>>>> 45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the one that got them sued for copyright infringement (if I
>>>>>> remember right. Perhaps it was patent infringement.)
>>>>>> HD apparently owns that sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe they *tried* to sue, claiming the Harley sound was a
>>>>> trademark, but they failed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll be able
>>>>> to show me the error of my ways via some proof.
>>>>
>>>> No, they sued, but I don't know the outcome.
>>>> It doesn't take more than the blowing of some wind to file a suit.
>>>> As far as proof goes, I have none, and don't intend on researching
>>>> this, since I could care less about the topic (read HD.)
>>>
>>> The end result is that Harley actually *don't* own that sound though
>>> and that was the point.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They DID manage to trademark the "Hog" name though.
>>>>
>>>> Great, that's awesome.
>>>
>>> Innit? :-)
>>>
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>> See how internet rumours get started? Harley never sued another
>> motorcycle manufacturer about the sound of the engine. They DID sue a
>> Toy manufacturer that RECORDED a Harley engine and played it back.
>> Harley DID win that suit. This is the only suit in which Harley sued
>> someone about the sound of the engine.
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> I recall the threat of the suit, if not the actual suit against Yamaha.
> Odinn, great God, you've killed all the fun. :-)
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