Posted by briqq86 on November 16, 2008, 11:12 am
While browsing the group I came across numerous posts concerning Cheng
Shing tires and their supposed lack of traction. However peoples
opinion on them seems to split into 3 groups
1) People who ride Cheng Shin and swear by them
2) People who say the tire is the only point of contact between the
bike and the road, so you should buy the best you can afford, and that
Cheng Shings are dangerous, have no grip, only just better than the
rims, and should be avoided at all costs, and hence have never
actually crashed a bike while riding Cheng Shin
3) People who say riding Cheng Shing is ok for slow bikes but not for
performance bikes, but have never been in a crash where the blame was
the Cheng Shins.
All three groups have something in common - noone has stated in any
post that they have crashed a bike, and the fault was purely shit
quality tires (NOT wear)
Has this actually happened? Anyone fell off a bike where if you had
been riding good tires as opposed to Cheng Shings you would have
stayed on your machine?
Posted by . on November 16, 2008, 11:28 am
On Nov 16, 8:12�am, briq...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> While browsing the group I came across numerous posts concerning Cheng
> Shing tires and their supposed lack of traction. However peoples
> opinion on them seems to split into 3 groups
California freeways are highly abrasive concrete, the rough surface
makes up for harder rubber...
I never crashed while riding on the Cheng Shins which I bought because
they were the cheapest, longest lasting tires I could afford.
Cheng Shin tires got a bad reputation in the 1970's because they used
cheaper natural rubber. It's hard to say what percentage of more
expensive synthetic rubber goes into the build nowadays.
Cheng Shin has changed their name to Maxxis and now builds Super Maxx
sport tires that are rated "U". That's beyond "Z" speed rating of 150
mph continuous.
Makes no difference to me, I am not going to exceed 100 mph, as the
first offense will cost me $500 USD minimum plus a $250 penalty
assessment that goes to the local court.
Posted by The Older Gentleman on November 16, 2008, 11:47 am
> Has this actually happened? Anyone fell off a bike where if you had
> been riding good tires as opposed to Cheng Shings you would have
> stayed on your machine?
Not to me. They're reasonably good budget tyres, as far as I'm
concerned.
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Posted by 01dyna on November 16, 2008, 12:51 pm
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:47:19 +0000, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) you wrote:
>> Has this actually happened? Anyone fell off a bike where if you had
>> been riding good tires as opposed to Cheng Shings you would have
>> stayed on your machine?
>Not to me. They're reasonably good budget tyres, as far as I'm
>concerned.
Everybody Cheng Shing tonight....
Posted by Jujitsu Lizard on November 16, 2008, 12:21 pm
> While browsing the group I came across numerous posts concerning Cheng
> Shing tires and their supposed lack of traction. However peoples
> opinion on them seems to split into 3 groups
> 1) People who ride Cheng Shin and swear by them
> 2) People who say the tire is the only point of contact between the
> bike and the road, so you should buy the best you can afford, and that
> Cheng Shings are dangerous, have no grip, only just better than the
> rims, and should be avoided at all costs, and hence have never
> actually crashed a bike while riding Cheng Shin
> 3) People who say riding Cheng Shing is ok for slow bikes but not for
> performance bikes, but have never been in a crash where the blame was
> the Cheng Shins.
> All three groups have something in common - noone has stated in any
> post that they have crashed a bike, and the fault was purely shit
> quality tires (NOT wear)
> Has this actually happened? Anyone fell off a bike where if you had
> been riding good tires as opposed to Cheng Shings you would have
> stayed on your machine?
I have nothing to say aboug Cheng Shings, but let me say that your method of
investigation is flawed.
Asking if anyone has actually had a motorcycle accident is like asking
people who have had an uncommanded discharge from a firearm whether the
bullet struck anyone important. In the vast majority of cases, it hasn't.
"Near accident" statistics are the most telling. Not being comfortable
because the tire doesn't stop of corner well is a danger sign.
Additional issues:
a)Reliable "near accident" statistics can't be found. As you've figured
out, people start with a conclusion and then look for supporting facts.
b)Even accident statistics could be misleading. What people will do--not
always consciously--is adapt their riding to the equipment they're riding to
keep the level of risk constant. If they know the tires aren't capable,
they will ride less aggressively so as to try to stay alive. In an extreme
case, this could even invert the statistics so that a worse tire has better
accident or fatality statistics. Let's say that a tire is so poor it scares
you to go over 20 MPH. Clearly, fatal accidents at 20 MPH are fairly hard
to come by.
Good luck obtaining reliable data.
The Lizard.
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> Shing tires and their supposed lack of traction. However peoples
> opinion on them seems to split into 3 groups