Posted by David Steuber on May 13, 2006, 3:06 am
This event was on 20060511.
So today on the way home some much needed rain arrived in the area
(Delaware County, PA). My hornet comes with the Michelin Pilot Road
tires/tyres. I was quite pleased with their performance as the rain
started and then began to pick up. As a novice rider, I am not pushing
the bike anywhere near its limits. I hardly had to alter my speed at
all although I did run some bits slower. I noticed two things.
One fifteen mile per hour turn I did slow down for. It has these
pretty, pretty boulders on the outside line along the road. I think
this is to discourage cars from speeding. Anyway, my rear tire slipped
there. Thrice. It was so quick I didn't react. The tire slipped just a
tiny amount each time and hooked up again as I passed the apex. Do
bike tires slide out suddenly in the dry? I really don't know. The 599
didn't care. It let me take the turn and go into the straight in a
nicely forgiving manner.
The other encounter I had was with those tar seem fillers. You know,
those shiny lines used to fill cracks in asphalt roads. They are
slippery when dry. When it rains, they lose all friction. Seriously. I
road over a length of this stuff upright and the bike wanted off!
Again, the bike took care of things for me. Like I have the skill.
All in all, I think the Pilot Roads did OK by me. They seem to have
the traction I need/can use. The only other thing I need from those
tires is high milage capability. Motorcycle tires are insanely
expensive.
As for my gear... I am boycotting China. I am also doing a piss poor
job of it. I have Joe Rocket over pants with armor and black
jacket. The gear did a very good job of keeping me dry. I only had
some leakage through the cuffs and neck. I do have a proper rain suit
as well that should fit over the gear. If it is still raining
tomorrow, I'll be giving it its first trial run.
I gotta remember to blast off and oil my chain before my next ride.
Addendum. I got around to the chain on Friday. One of the rollers
has a spot of rust on it already! You really have to keep up on
chains. I am hoping to get a Scott Oiler so I can save myself some
labor. Also my front tire had 46psi instead of 36psi. I do not know
how I manged that trick as I check the tires at least once a week. My
rear is at 45 instead of 42. I don't think 3psi makes so much of a
difference in the rear.
Is there a reason why chains are not stainless? Would galling be a
problem, or is it the expense? Or is stainless steel just not strong
enough?
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1998 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport
2006 Honda 599 Hornet (CB600F) x 2 Crash & Slider
The lithobraker. Zero distance stops at any speed.
Posted by Steve L on May 13, 2006, 8:11 am
> This event was on 20060511.
> So today on the way home some much needed rain arrived in the area
> (Delaware County, PA). My hornet comes with the Michelin Pilot Road
> tires/tyres. I was quite pleased with their performance as the rain
> started and then began to pick up. As a novice rider, I am not pushing
> the bike anywhere near its limits. I hardly had to alter my speed at
> all although I did run some bits slower. I noticed two things.
> One fifteen mile per hour turn I did slow down for. It has these
> pretty, pretty boulders on the outside line along the road. I think
> this is to discourage cars from speeding. Anyway, my rear tire slipped
> there. Thrice. It was so quick I didn't react. The tire slipped just a
> tiny amount each time and hooked up again as I passed the apex. Do
> bike tires slide out suddenly in the dry? I really don't know. The 599
> didn't care. It let me take the turn and go into the straight in a
> nicely forgiving manner.
> The other encounter I had was with those tar seem fillers. You know,
> those shiny lines used to fill cracks in asphalt roads. They are
> slippery when dry. When it rains, they lose all friction. Seriously. I
> road over a length of this stuff upright and the bike wanted off!
> Again, the bike took care of things for me. Like I have the skill.
> All in all, I think the Pilot Roads did OK by me. They seem to have
> the traction I need/can use. The only other thing I need from those
> tires is high milage capability. Motorcycle tires are insanely
> expensive.
> As for my gear... I am boycotting China. I am also doing a piss poor
> job of it. I have Joe Rocket over pants with armor and black
> jacket. The gear did a very good job of keeping me dry. I only had
> some leakage through the cuffs and neck. I do have a proper rain suit
> as well that should fit over the gear. If it is still raining
> tomorrow, I'll be giving it its first trial run.
> I gotta remember to blast off and oil my chain before my next ride.
> Addendum. I got around to the chain on Friday. One of the rollers
> has a spot of rust on it already! You really have to keep up on
> chains. I am hoping to get a Scott Oiler so I can save myself some
> labor. Also my front tire had 46psi instead of 36psi. I do not know
> how I manged that trick as I check the tires at least once a week. My
> rear is at 45 instead of 42. I don't think 3psi makes so much of a
> difference in the rear.
> Is there a reason why chains are not stainless? Would galling be a
> problem, or is it the expense? Or is stainless steel just not strong
> enough?
> --
> http://www.david-steuber.com/
> 1998 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport
> 2006 Honda 599 Hornet (CB600F) x 2 Crash & Slider
430 No such article
> This event was on 20060511.
> So today on the way home some much needed rain arrived in the area
> (Delaware County, PA). My hornet comes with the Michelin Pilot Road
> tires/tyres. I was quite pleased with their performance as the rain
> started and then began to pick up. As a novice rider, I am not pushing
> the bike anywhere near its limits. I hardly had to alter my speed at
> all although I did run some bits slower. I noticed two things.
> One fifteen mile per hour turn I did slow down for. It has these
> pretty, pretty boulders on the outside line along the road. I think
> this is to discourage cars from speeding. Anyway, my rear tire slipped
> there. Thrice. It was so quick I didn't react. The tire slipped just a
> tiny amount each time and hooked up again as I passed the apex. Do
> bike tires slide out suddenly in the dry? I really don't know. The 599
> didn't care. It let me take the turn and go into the straight in a
> nicely forgiving manner.
> The other encounter I had was with those tar seem fillers. You know,
> those shiny lines used to fill cracks in asphalt roads. They are
> slippery when dry. When it rains, they lose all friction. Seriously. I
> road over a length of this stuff upright and the bike wanted off!
> Again, the bike took care of things for me. Like I have the skill.
> All in all, I think the Pilot Roads did OK by me. They seem to have
> the traction I need/can use. The only other thing I need from those
> tires is high milage capability. Motorcycle tires are insanely
> expensive.
> As for my gear... I am boycotting China. I am also doing a piss poor
> job of it. I have Joe Rocket over pants with armor and black
> jacket. The gear did a very good job of keeping me dry. I only had
> some leakage through the cuffs and neck. I do have a proper rain suit
> as well that should fit over the gear. If it is still raining
> tomorrow, I'll be giving it its first trial run.
> I gotta remember to blast off and oil my chain before my next ride.
> Addendum. I got around to the chain on Friday. One of the rollers
> has a spot of rust on it already! You really have to keep up on
> chains. I am hoping to get a Scott Oiler so I can save myself some
> labor. Also my front tire had 46psi instead of 36psi. I do not know
> how I manged that trick as I check the tires at least once a week. My
> rear is at 45 instead of 42. I don't think 3psi makes so much of a
> difference in the rear.
> Is there a reason why chains are not stainless? Would galling be a
> problem, or is it the expense? Or is stainless steel just not strong
> enough?
> --
> http://www.david-steuber.com/
> 1998 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport
> 2006 Honda 599 Hornet (CB600F) x 2 Crash & Slider
> The lithobraker. Zero distance stops at any speed.
Hey Dave!
It sounds like the Hornet and you are doing fine.
Ya gotta watch out for the road snakes.. they are very slippery when
wet. Also, any painted surfaces, like cross-walks, Mcdonald's parking
lots etc. just like an ice rink.
When it rains like it has been doing here in the east, even the standard
asphalt is going to have the oil and grease ride to the surface which is
why you prolly slipped a bit just in a standard corner. You must check
your tires when they are stone cold. Not after any riding, that may be
how they got too high, that, or you used a bad tire meter. Don't trust
those cheap air pressure guages, go to a NAPA and buy one of this rugged
guages that they use to check truck tire with, that are about 10 inches
long and completely metal.
Chain alloys are pretty sophisticated these days. Not like my old bikes
that always strectched and needed adjusting almost daily. That's what I
hear, anyway.. last chain drive I had was an 82 Honda 750.
I just got back from a two week tour of France and Belgium.. wow,
motorcycle heaven. It was killing me to not be on my bike. Bikes
everyplace! Lot's of Ducs and Beemers and great country roads. Now I'm
back to Massachusetts and it is forecasted to rain all week. Oh well,
thank god for my hometheater system.
Posted by Venture Rider on May 13, 2006, 9:10 am
On 13 May 2006 03:06:49 -0400, David Steuber said:
>As a novice rider, I am not pushing
>the bike anywhere near its limits.
As an experienced rider, I do not push my bike anywhere near its
limits.
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that I don't know the answer."
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Posted by EffJay R. Yamaha on May 13, 2006, 11:47 am
David Steuber wrote:
> One fifteen mile per hour turn I did slow down for. It has these
> pretty, pretty boulders on the outside line along the road. I think
> this is to discourage cars from speeding.
It's more likely to make it clear where the end of the pavement is, or to
keep someone out of a ditch if they're not paying attention. Probably
cheaper to put there than a proper guardrail.
> Anyway, my rear tire slipped
> there. Thrice. It was so quick I didn't react. The tire slipped just a
> tiny amount each time and hooked up again as I passed the apex. Do
> bike tires slide out suddenly in the dry? I really don't know. The 599
> didn't care. It let me take the turn and go into the straight in a
> nicely forgiving manner.
David, if you're clipping boulders on the "outside line along the road," it
sounds as if you're using both your lane and the other lane to make your
turn. That's not a matter of skill, but a question of intelligence. Unless
you're not describing what you're doing very well, you're doing your best to
prove that Darwin was right.
You should not only stay entirely on your side of the road, but also keep
some spare traction and lean angle in reserve to avoid someone coming from
the other direction who strays over the center line. In other words, if you
met yourself coming around a blind curve, one of you would very likely die.
If you ARE staying entirely on your half of the road, and just not
describing it very well, then good for you. Posting a message that you need
to clarify later won't get you dead, but going wide on blind curves anywhere
but on a racetrack probably will, in very short order.
If you haven't already done so, connect to Amazon or Barnes & Noble (or
online motorcycle gear vendors) and order a copy of _Proficient
Motorcycling_ by David Hough. He's written a column by the same name for
Motorcycle Consumer News for many years, and his books pack a lot of wisdom
in a very small space.
Posted by .p.jm on May 13, 2006, 11:54 am
On Sat, 13 May 2006 08:47:47 -0700, "EffJay R. Yamaha"
>David Steuber wrote:
>>
>> One fifteen mile per hour turn I did slow down for. It has these
>> pretty, pretty boulders on the outside line along the road. I think
>> this is to discourage cars from speeding.
>It's more likely to make it clear where the end of the pavement is, or to
>keep someone out of a ditch if they're not paying attention. Probably
>cheaper to put there than a proper guardrail.
Either that, or they heard Dave was going to be riding by, and
they gathered there to lie in wait for him :-)
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> So today on the way home some much needed rain arrived in the area
> (Delaware County, PA). My hornet comes with the Michelin Pilot Road
> tires/tyres. I was quite pleased with their performance as the rain
> started and then began to pick up. As a novice rider, I am not pushing
> the bike anywhere near its limits. I hardly had to alter my speed at
> all although I did run some bits slower. I noticed two things.
> One fifteen mile per hour turn I did slow down for. It has these
> pretty, pretty boulders on the outside line along the road. I think
> this is to discourage cars from speeding. Anyway, my rear tire slipped
> there. Thrice. It was so quick I didn't react. The tire slipped just a
> tiny amount each time and hooked up again as I passed the apex. Do
> bike tires slide out suddenly in the dry? I really don't know. The 599
> didn't care. It let me take the turn and go into the straight in a
> nicely forgiving manner.
> The other encounter I had was with those tar seem fillers. You know,
> those shiny lines used to fill cracks in asphalt roads. They are
> slippery when dry. When it rains, they lose all friction. Seriously. I
> road over a length of this stuff upright and the bike wanted off!
> Again, the bike took care of things for me. Like I have the skill.
> All in all, I think the Pilot Roads did OK by me. They seem to have
> the traction I need/can use. The only other thing I need from those
> tires is high milage capability. Motorcycle tires are insanely
> expensive.
> As for my gear... I am boycotting China. I am also doing a piss poor
> job of it. I have Joe Rocket over pants with armor and black
> jacket. The gear did a very good job of keeping me dry. I only had
> some leakage through the cuffs and neck. I do have a proper rain suit
> as well that should fit over the gear. If it is still raining
> tomorrow, I'll be giving it its first trial run.
> I gotta remember to blast off and oil my chain before my next ride.
> Addendum. I got around to the chain on Friday. One of the rollers
> has a spot of rust on it already! You really have to keep up on
> chains. I am hoping to get a Scott Oiler so I can save myself some
> labor. Also my front tire had 46psi instead of 36psi. I do not know
> how I manged that trick as I check the tires at least once a week. My
> rear is at 45 instead of 42. I don't think 3psi makes so much of a
> difference in the rear.
> Is there a reason why chains are not stainless? Would galling be a
> problem, or is it the expense? Or is stainless steel just not strong
> enough?
> --
> http://www.david-steuber.com/
> 1998 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport
> 2006 Honda 599 Hornet (CB600F) x 2 Crash & Slider