Posted by don (Calgary) on July 17, 2010, 5:14 pm
wrote:
>tomorrow@erols.com wrote:
>> Most of the people I know who ride the fuck out of their Harleys
>> (which includes EVERYONE that I ride with who rides a Harley) do a LOT
>> of modifications to them. However, they are not fashion accessory
>> modifications.
>Little things like aftermarket touring seats , handling mods , alterations
>for comfort ...
I have more than a few mods, most are under the performance,
electronic or ergonomic categories. I do have a little added chrome
but they various bits and pieces of additional shiny stuff were all
Christmas presents.
I keep a file for all of the invoices related to my vehicles. The one
for the Road King is getting very thick. <g>
Posted by Odinn on July 17, 2010, 5:32 pm
tomorrow@erols.com wrote:
>
>> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>>> What's interesting to me about this particular path of speculation is
>>>> that Harley has had, for a long time, what it obviously considers "a
>>>> very good thing" by way of selling their larger-engined bikes only in
>>>> up-market CVO (or, only very recently, in Special Edition) trim with
>>>> an additional 5-10K of added farkles and chrome.
>>>> Those of use who want plain bikes with higher-performance engines have
>>>> had to buy the basic engine in the motorcycle, then buy the hi-po
>>>> parts (presumably but not always) from the dealer, then pay the
>>>> (presumably but not always) the dealer's service department to install
>>>> them; thus resulting in extra cash in the till for both the
>>>> manufacturer and the dealer.
>>> Yup. This is why I've always thought you don't really 'buy' a Harley.
>>> You 'start collecting' one.
>> Not true for all Harley owners.
>
> Agreed. For instance, I haven't bought a single piece of chrome for
> either of my Harleys.
>
>> I bought mine, added a couple of
>> non-harley extras (hiway pegs, lowered windshield, windshield bag), 1
>> harley extra (quick detach passenger backrest and luggage rack) for a
>> total of about $500 in extras (less than most sport bike riders that I
>> know put on their sport bikes), and have put 130,000 miles on it.
>
> I would characterize you as something other than the "typical" Harley
> buyer/owner/rider. I only have 35,000 miles on my Harley, but then,
> it is only four years old and I do have to ride my other four bikes,
> and drive my car, and drive my truck, occasionally!
>
>> I'll admit, a Harley is a fashion accessory for a lot of people,
>
> No doubt. I trust them to buy and hold onto their Harleys, riding
> them about 1,000 miles a year, until I can get around to buying them
> used.....
>
>> but I
>> know a lot of us who buy our bikes and ride the fuck out of them without
>> doing a lot of modifications to them.
>
> Most of the people I know who ride the fuck out of their Harleys
> (which includes EVERYONE that I ride with who rides a Harley) do a LOT
> of modifications to them. However, they are not fashion accessory
> modifications.
>
I guess that makes us a bit of the outcast in both worlds. Very few
modifications have been made to my bike.
1. lowers and a shorter windshield because I didn't like the buffeting
from underneath
2. windshield bags for a place to carry items I need to get at quickly
3. hiway pegs, which I really don't use, so basically a useless mod
4. coffee cup (I gotta have my coffee on that hour long ride to work
when I am working)
5. switch to gear cams instead of chain so I don't have to deal with the
tensioners (not for power or anything like that)
6. bub reinhardt exhaust to replace my broken exhaust and the only
reason I have the bubs is because I got them for less than half price
from someone who didn't like them after he installed them on his bike,
making them cheaper than buying a new stock exhaust.
7. passenger backrest and luggage rack to try to convince my wife to
ride again, which she refuses to do, so another useless mod.
Several of the guys I ride with who ride a lot have done less mods.
--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS #154
Nothing but net to reply
Posted by don (Calgary) on July 15, 2010, 6:26 pm
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT), "tomorrow@erols.com"
>wrote:
up off a Road King forum. It appears to be a submission
>> > to the California Air Resources Board made by Harley.
>>
>> > I am not familiar with the processes or procedures down south but it
>> > looks like HD plans on offering a choice of two engines on most of the
>> > stock touring bikes and then the 110 on the Screaming Eagle bikes.
>>
>> >http://actualriders.ca/hd2011.pdf
>>
>> Interesting. It wouldn't be the first time a bike manufacturer has
>> offered the same bike with two different engine sizes, of course: not
>> by a long chalk.
>>
>> > Is HD taking a page from the automobile industry by offering different
>> > size engines for every model? I wonder what the upcharge would be for
>> > the 103 over the 96. It couldn't be much. $500? $1000? Isn't it just
>> > jugs, pistons and rings? Assembly costs would be common to both.
>>
>> The manufacturer charges what the manufacturer reckons the customer
>> will pay for the 'premium' model. Lord knows how HD will price it. To
>> all intents and purposes, build costs are the same, as you say.
>What's interesting to me about this particular path of speculation is
>that Harley has had, for a long time, what it obviously considers "a
>very good thing" by way of selling their larger-engined bikes only in
>up-market CVO (or, only very recently, in Special Edition) trim with
>an additional 5-10K of added farkles and chrome.
>Those of use who want plain bikes with higher-performance engines have
>had to buy the basic engine in the motorcycle, then buy the hi-po
>parts (presumably but not always) from the dealer, then pay the
>(presumably but not always) the dealer's service department to install
>them; thus resulting in extra cash in the till for both the
>manufacturer and the dealer.
>Offering the larger engine as an option in the standard versions of
>their bikes would, presumable, result in lower overal revenues for
>both the dealer and the manufacturer, but - again, presumably -
>happier customers.
>I know I would have FAR preferred to order my bike with the 103ci
>Screamin' Eagle engine rather than having to buy it with the standard
>96ci engine and then have the 103SE engine built.
I was at Kanes (Calgary HD Dealer) the other day and asked one of the
guys there about the touring models being available in different trims
and his response was quick and blunt, "Not in Canada". He went on to
say hot rodding the engines is a major source of business and by
extension revenue.
The 2011s will be out in a couple of months, it will be interesting to
see if there is any change.
Posted by tomorrow@erols.com on July 15, 2010, 10:25 pm
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT), "tomor...@erols.com"
> >wrote:
> >> > to the California Air Resources Board made by Harley.
> >> > I am not familiar with the processes or procedures down south but it
> >> > looks like HD plans on offering a choice of two engines on most of the
> >> > stock touring bikes and then the 110 on the Screaming Eagle bikes.
> >> >http://actualriders.ca/hd2011.pdf
> >> Interesting. It wouldn't be the first time a bike manufacturer has
> >> offered the same bike with two different engine sizes, of course: not
> >> by a long chalk.
> >> > Is HD taking a page from the automobile industry by offering different
> >> > size engines for every model? I wonder what the upcharge would be for
> >> > the 103 over the 96. It couldn't be much. $500? $1000? Isn't it just
> >> > jugs, pistons and rings? Assembly costs would be common to both.
> >> The manufacturer charges what the manufacturer reckons the customer
> >> will pay for the 'premium' model. Lord knows how HD will price it. To
> >> all intents and purposes, build costs are the same, as you say.
> >What's interesting to me about this particular path of speculation is
> >that Harley has had, for a long time, what it obviously considers "a
> >very good thing" by way of selling their larger-engined bikes only in
> >up-market CVO (or, only very recently, in Special Edition) trim with
> >an additional 5-10K of added farkles and chrome.
> >Those of use who want plain bikes with higher-performance engines have
> >had to buy the basic engine in the motorcycle, then buy the hi-po
> >parts (presumably but not always) from the dealer, then pay the
> >(presumably but not always) the dealer's service department to install
> >them; thus resulting in extra cash in the till for both the
> >manufacturer and the dealer.
> >Offering the larger engine as an option in the standard versions of
> >their bikes would, presumable, result in lower overal revenues for
> >both the dealer and the manufacturer, but - again, presumably -
> >happier customers.
> >I know I would have FAR preferred to order my bike with the 103ci
> >Screamin' Eagle engine rather than having to buy it with the standard
> >96ci engine and then have the 103SE engine built.
> I was at Kanes (Calgary HD Dealer) the other day and asked one of the
> guys there about the touring models being available in different trims
> and his response was quick and blunt, "Not in Canada". He went on to
> say hot rodding the engines is a major source of business and by
> extension revenue.
> The 2011s will be out in a couple of months, it will be interesting to
> see if there is any change.
I agreee, but I don't think any H-D floor sales people currently know
anything more about the 2011 models than we do.
Posted by don (Calgary) on July 15, 2010, 10:27 pm
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:25:29 -0700 (PDT), "tomorrow@erols.com"
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT), "tomor...@erols.com"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >wrote:
this up off a Road King forum. It appears to be a submission
>> >> > to the California Air Resources Board made by Harley.
>>
>> >> > I am not familiar with the processes or procedures down south but it
>> >> > looks like HD plans on offering a choice of two engines on most of the
>> >> > stock touring bikes and then the 110 on the Screaming Eagle bikes.
>>
>> >> >http://actualriders.ca/hd2011.pdf
>>
>> >> Interesting. It wouldn't be the first time a bike manufacturer has
>> >> offered the same bike with two different engine sizes, of course: not
>> >> by a long chalk.
>>
>> >> > Is HD taking a page from the automobile industry by offering different
>> >> > size engines for every model? I wonder what the upcharge would be for
>> >> > the 103 over the 96. It couldn't be much. $500? $1000? Isn't it just
>> >> > jugs, pistons and rings? Assembly costs would be common to both.
>>
>> >> The manufacturer charges what the manufacturer reckons the customer
>> >> will pay for the 'premium' model. Lord knows how HD will price it. To
>> >> all intents and purposes, build costs are the same, as you say.
>>
>> >What's interesting to me about this particular path of speculation is
>> >that Harley has had, for a long time, what it obviously considers "a
>> >very good thing" by way of selling their larger-engined bikes only in
>> >up-market CVO (or, only very recently, in Special Edition) trim with
>> >an additional 5-10K of added farkles and chrome.
>>
>> >Those of use who want plain bikes with higher-performance engines have
>> >had to buy the basic engine in the motorcycle, then buy the hi-po
>> >parts (presumably but not always) from the dealer, then pay the
>> >(presumably but not always) the dealer's service department to install
>> >them; thus resulting in extra cash in the till for both the
>> >manufacturer and the dealer.
>>
>> >Offering the larger engine as an option in the standard versions of
>> >their bikes would, presumable, result in lower overal revenues for
>> >both the dealer and the manufacturer, but - again, presumably -
>> >happier customers.
>>
>> >I know I would have FAR preferred to order my bike with the 103ci
>> >Screamin' Eagle engine rather than having to buy it with the standard
>> >96ci engine and then have the 103SE engine built.
>>
>> I was at Kanes (Calgary HD Dealer) the other day and asked one of the
>> guys there about the touring models being available in different trims
>> and his response was quick and blunt, "Not in Canada". He went on to
>> say hot rodding the engines is a major source of business and by
>> extension revenue.
>>
>> The 2011s will be out in a couple of months, it will be interesting to
>> see if there is any change.
>I agreee, but I don't think any H-D floor sales people currently know
>anything more about the 2011 models than we do.
You're probably right. I know Yamaha keeps info about their new models
very close to the vest. I am sure HD is even more protective.
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>> Most of the people I know who ride the fuck out of their Harleys
>> (which includes EVERYONE that I ride with who rides a Harley) do a LOT
>> of modifications to them. However, they are not fashion accessory
>> modifications.
>Little things like aftermarket touring seats , handling mods , alterations
>for comfort ...