Posted by Beav on August 29, 2009, 6:03 pm
wrote:
> > I want to paint it. I don't need or want something fancy. A plain, shiny
> > or flat white would suit me nicely. I just don't like all the little
> > stripes and whatnot it sports.
> > I'm not interesting in paying some guy $200 to paint an $89 helmet. Is
> > painting a helmet a worthwhile task for a backyard do-it-yourselfer? I
> > figure remove the face shield, tape off the cloth/rubber bits, sand,
> > primer, paint, then maybe a clearcoat of some sort.
> > Any recommendations, warnings, amusing/filthy insults?
>> Most composite helmets that I'm aware of have warnings about using
>> solvents
>> on the helmet, as they may weaken the composite.
>You are confused. It is polycarbonate helmets that should not be
>painted.
Of course they can be painted. You don't seriusly think that they're self
coloured during formin I hope. They're ALL painted at some pouint.
> Most paint has toluene and other solvents in it.
> Here are some quotes from the MSF's document:
> http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/helmet_CSI.pdf
> QUOTE: Follow the manufacturer's care instructions for your helmet. Use
> only
> the mildest soap recommended.Avoid any petroleum-based cleaning
> fluids, especially if you own a polycarbonate helmet. Exposure to
> strong cleaning agents can cause the helmet to decompose and lose
> protective value.
>Note, "especially if you own a polycarbonate helmet." A composite
>helmet (fiberglass, kevlar, carbon fiber) can often be painted without
>damage. Read the documentation that comes with the helmet for
>details. Polycarbonate helmets are plastic. Painting them can make
>the plastic brittle with obvious consequences should the helmet hit
>anything.
The biggest "problem" with polycarb lids is decals. The adhesive can migrate
from the back of the decal into the polycarb causing stress points at the
decal edge. However, in reality, it's not so much a real problem as a
perceived problem.
>Considering the OP mentioned his helmet cost $89 I would say that it
>is probably polycarbonate and should not be painted.
Or painted if he wants it a different colour.
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Beav
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Posted by Eiron on August 29, 2009, 6:34 pm
Beav wrote:
>> You are confused. It is polycarbonate helmets that should not be
>> painted.
>
> Of course they can be painted. You don't seriusly think that they're self
> coloured during formin I hope. They're ALL painted at some pouint.
That was the traditional method of making polycarbonate helmets.
If you scratched one you would see that the color was in the plastic
rather than painted on. Of course things may have changed recently.
--
Eiron.
Posted by Bruce Richmond on August 29, 2009, 8:22 pm
> wrote:
> > > I want to paint it. I don't need or want something fancy. A plain, shiny
> > > or flat white would suit me nicely. I just don't like all the little
> > > stripes and whatnot it sports.
> > > I'm not interesting in paying some guy $200 to paint an $89 helmet. Is
> > > painting a helmet a worthwhile task for a backyard do-it-yourselfer? I
> > > figure remove the face shield, tape off the cloth/rubber bits, sand,
> > > primer, paint, then maybe a clearcoat of some sort.
> > > Any recommendations, warnings, amusing/filthy insults?
> >> Most composite helmets that I'm aware of have warnings about using
> >> solvents
> >> on the helmet, as they may weaken the composite.
> >You are confused. It is polycarbonate helmets that should not be
> >painted.
> Of course they can be painted. You don't seriusly think that they're self
> coloured during formin I hope. They're ALL painted at some pouint.
In the early days polycarbonate helmets usually were made with the
colour right in the plastic. An alternate method that was used to
make "metal flake" was to spray clear plastic into the mold, then a
gelcoat with the colour, put the rest of the mold in place, and inject
the plastic.
There are paints that are save to use on polycarbonate helmets, but
you're not going to find them in a rattle can at the local Wal-mart.
> > Most paint has toluene and other solvents in it.
> > Here are some quotes from the MSF's document:
> >http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/helmet_CSI.pdf
> > QUOTE: Follow the manufacturer's care instructions for your helmet. Use
> > only
> > the mildest soap recommended.Avoid any petroleum-based cleaning
> > fluids, especially if you own a polycarbonate helmet. Exposure to
> > strong cleaning agents can cause the helmet to decompose and lose
> > protective value.
> >Note, "especially if you own a polycarbonate helmet." A composite
> >helmet (fiberglass, kevlar, carbon fiber) can often be painted without
> >damage. Read the documentation that comes with the helmet for
> >details. Polycarbonate helmets are plastic. Painting them can make
> >the plastic brittle with obvious consequences should the helmet hit
> >anything.
> The biggest "problem" with polycarb lids is decals. The adhesive can migrate
> from the back of the decal into the polycarb causing stress points at the
> decal edge. However, in reality, it's not so much a real problem as a
> perceived problem.
You think adhesive can migrate but chemicals from paint wont? The
paint might not cause stress points but it can make the whole thing
brittle. At the very least he should look at the documentation that
comes with the helmet to see if the manufacturer made any warnings.
Posted by Tim M. on August 28, 2009, 12:49 pm
> Today I picked up a new Shoei 3/4 helmet.
> Now, this thing is made in Japan, and I've been to Japan. I'm 6'4" and
> 235lbs, and for the most part, folks were shorter and smaller than me.
> Here in the US, I rarely wear a Large shirt or hat, most everything else is
> X-Large, and a few things are XX.
> My KBC full face helmet is X-Large.
> This helmet is a Medium.
> And it fits perfectly.
> First, I can't think of anything on my body being a 'medium' size.
> Second, what kind of mutant wears a Large or larger size Shoei helmet?!?
> Now that I got that out of my system, I have a serious question.
> My KBC full face helmet. I like it. It was cheap, it fits, keeps me warm
> in the mornings, and offers me a little more protection in the AM when the
> maniacs are on their way to work.
> I REALLY hate the looks.
> I want to paint it. I don't need or want something fancy. A plain, shiny
> or flat white would suit me nicely. I just don't like all the little
> stripes and whatnot it sports.
> I'm not interesting in paying some guy $200 to paint an $89 helmet. Is
> painting a helmet a worthwhile task for a backyard do-it-yourselfer? I
> figure remove the face shield, tape off the cloth/rubber bits, sand, primer,
> paint, then maybe a clearcoat of some sort.
> Any recommendations, warnings, amusing/filthy insults?
> Thanks!
> CS
It's easy to paint a helmet. Wet sand the thing with 600 grit paper,
tape up the trim, and spray it with a can or two of enamel. Let it
dry at least 24 hours. Shouldn't need clearcoat. If you're anal
retentive, wet sand it again, then spray a second coat, let it dry,
then wet sand it with 1200/1500 grit, then use rubbing compound
followed by polishing compound followed by swirl remover, followed by
a good carnuba wax. and the thing will look like a $1,000 custom paint
job .. if you masked it properly.
Posted by Beav on August 28, 2009, 5:00 pm
> I'm not interesting in paying some guy $200 to paint an $89 helmet. Is
> painting a helmet a worthwhile task for a backyard do-it-yourselfer? I
> figure remove the face shield, tape off the cloth/rubber bits, sand,
> primer, paint, then maybe a clearcoat of some sort.
> Any recommendations, warnings, amusing/filthy insults?
Don't sand it, use a scotch-Brite pad (grey, not red)
Wallop it with a rattle can of white sweeping across the lid about 4 to 6
inches away. Don't lay the paint on thick, just coat it. Do it three or 4
times in a clean environment and it's ready for a buff and polish (or just a
polish if no shit has maded on it when it was wet). Do the polishing at
least 24 hours after painting. don't rush.
--
Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
> > or flat white would suit me nicely. I just don't like all the little
> > stripes and whatnot it sports.
> > I'm not interesting in paying some guy $200 to paint an $89 helmet. Is
> > painting a helmet a worthwhile task for a backyard do-it-yourselfer? I
> > figure remove the face shield, tape off the cloth/rubber bits, sand,
> > primer, paint, then maybe a clearcoat of some sort.
> > Any recommendations, warnings, amusing/filthy insults?
>> Most composite helmets that I'm aware of have warnings about using
>> solvents
>> on the helmet, as they may weaken the composite.
>You are confused. It is polycarbonate helmets that should not be
>painted.