Posted by sean_q_ on July 10, 2010, 3:44 pm
High Plains Thumper wrote:
> I'd like to see a single cylinder 800 cc bike, HD style, with a 5 gallon
> petrol tank - Thumpster. Make if fuel injected to meet EPA if required,
> oil cooled, but a thumper nonetheless. Price it slightly below the
> entry level Sportster. I think it would be a hit.
http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/1905-harley-davidson.jpg
SQ
Posted by Beav on July 12, 2010, 2:56 pm
> sean_q_ wrote:
>> The site recently mentioned by S'mee [in "Proper oil for cruisers"]
>> contains links to a series of articles on How To Save Harley
>> Davidson, starting with this one:
>>
>> http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/save-harley-davidson-part-1-branding/
>>
>> I wasn't aware that HD needed saving. But if they do then I have an
>> idea of my own, namely "paying volunteers". [snip]
>>
>> For an extra fee, celebrities such as Paris Hilton could pay extra
>> to sign their name on the bikes they worked on, and of course such
>> machines would command premium prices on the sales floor.
> I'd feel indifferent if Paris signed my bike, she doesn't impress me.
> I'd prefer someone with better moral fortitude.
>> I'm sure Harley Davidson could exploit their strong brand loyalty in
>> other new ways I haven't thought of. Ideas, anyone?
> I'd like to see a single cylinder 800 cc bike, HD style, with a 5 gallon
> petrol tank - Thumpster. Make if fuel injected to meet EPA if required,
> oil cooled, but a thumper nonetheless. Price it slightly below the
> entry level Sportster. I think it would be a hit.
It'd need a nice shiny electric starter though :-) [1]
[1] Remembers the days of the old Goldie
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Beav
Posted by TOG@Toil on July 13, 2010, 5:35 am
> I'd like to see a single cylinder 800 cc bike, HD style, with a 5 gallon
> petrol tank - Thumpster. Make if fuel injected to meet EPA if required,
> oil cooled, but a thumper nonetheless. Price it slightly below the
> entry level Sportster. I think it would be a hit.
Sounds nice, but just about every roadgoing thumper made in the last
30 years has enjoyed mediocre sales, at best. Dirt thumpers - yup,
they seem to sell brilliantly. Pure road bikes don't.
There have been a few exceptions: Yamaha's SR500[1] was in production
for a quarter of a century, and they still make it as a 400 for the
home market, I think. BMW's 650 Rotax-engined thing, in various
incarnations, has done well.
For decades there have been calls for a nice roadgoing thumper, but my
own feeling is that the thumper addicts make a noise out of all
proportion to their number. People do like riding thumpers, agreed,
but when it comes to putting their own money down, they frequently
choose performance instead. And on a horsepower per £ or $ basis,
thumpers really don't cut it....
[1] I still want another one.
Posted by High Plains Thumper on July 13, 2010, 10:48 pm
TOG wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> I'd like to see a single cylinder 800 cc bike, HD style, with a 5
>> gallon petrol tank - Thumpster. Make if fuel injected to meet EPA
>> if required, oil cooled, but a thumper nonetheless. Price it
>> slightly below the entry level Sportster. I think it would be a
>> hit.
>
> Sounds nice, but just about every roadgoing thumper made in the last
> 30 years has enjoyed mediocre sales, at best. Dirt thumpers - yup,
> they seem to sell brilliantly. Pure road bikes don't.
For a dirt bike at slightly lower speeds, the singles have considerable
torque, which I think has caused them to prosper.
> There have been a few exceptions: Yamaha's SR500[1] was in
> production for a quarter of a century, [1] I still want another
> one.
I remember seeing the SR500 back in early '80s. I could not believe a
thumper could be so large of a displacement at the time. (My ride was a
venerable '71 Honda CB100 as a poor college student at the time. The
SR500 could ride the entire island of Oahu comfortably.) Yes, I wanted
one, if I could have afforded it.
> and they still make it as a 400 for the home market, I think.
Yes they do:
http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup/sportsbike/sr400/
Reason for downsizing the engine is graduated driver's license
restrictions and bike registration fees. AFAIK, after 400 cc's is the
big bike license, requires additional testing, registration taxes are
higher.
We're more primitive here in US when it comes to graduated licensing and
registration fees for bikes.
> For decades there have been calls for a nice roadgoing thumper, but
> my own feeling is that the thumper addicts make a noise out of all
> proportion to their number. People do like riding thumpers, agreed,
> but when it comes to putting their own money down, they frequently
> choose performance instead. And on a horsepower per £ or $ basis,
> thumpers really don't cut it....
That could be. However, I never felt like paying the same amount for a
motorcycle as I would a small cage. Also, if I went sport bike I'd want
it a naked one.
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HPT
Posted by Bob Myers on July 10, 2010, 3:53 pm
sean_q_ wrote:
> The concept is that plenty of HD fanatics (such as the type
> who get themselves tattooed with Harley's logo) would be glad
> to volunteer to travel (at their own expense) to Milwaukee
> and assemble HD motorcycles -- not only pro bono, but would
> actually be willing to *pay* the MoCo for the privilege!
What percentage of that crowd do you think would be both
skilled enough to do the work, and be able/willing to cover the
costs? And it has to be for an extended period of time, too -
a work force consisting of people who only show up for two
weeks at a time isn't a very good thing. You'd spend way too
much time and money keeping everyone trained.
HD is going to make it or not on their own merits, like any
company should.
Bob M.
> petrol tank - Thumpster. Make if fuel injected to meet EPA if required,
> oil cooled, but a thumper nonetheless. Price it slightly below the
> entry level Sportster. I think it would be a hit.