Posted by TOG@Toil on July 16, 2010, 11:10 am
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:55:30 -0700 (PDT), "TOG@Toil"
> >Harley is a small volume producer of motorcycles, with their core
> >market in one single country, which is the US. And this is a US-
> >centric ng. Does not sell many machines elsewhere in the world. If
> >your definition of 'success' is 'they sell well here', then fine.
> >Otherwise you're deluded.
> I know quite a few people who have been successful in a variety of
> businesses. Small, medium, large or mammoth is not the benchmark to
> measure success. Nor id extending their market share into every corner
> of the world a factor. Often success is nothing more than providing a
> quality product or service, at a fair price while providing for your
> family and protecting your investors.
> Limited term success in business is easy. DAMHIK. Making it work for
> the long haul takes true talent and drive.
> My sense is there are few people who would argue HD, since their
> inception, have not been a successful company. More to the point a
> company does not have to be a major player, or a player period, in the
> international markets to be successful. In fact being the dominate
> motorcycle manufacturer in one of the worlds largest markets is to be
> applauded.
> Success is not related to size it is performance. [1]
> [1] Now that statement should take this thread in a new direction. <g>
OK, so Harley has done well in the past. But it's been in deep shit
before and it's in deep shit right now, which is where we came in.
It'll get out of it, one way or t'other. Maybe it'll ask for tariffs
again <VBG>
But what do I care? I love Ducatis and Ducati has staggered from one
financial crisis to another more often than RGD has staggered from one
bar to the next.
Posted by don (Calgary) on July 16, 2010, 11:37 am
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:10:43 -0700 (PDT), "TOG@Toil"
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:55:30 -0700 (PDT), "TOG@Toil"
>>
>>
>> >Harley is a small volume producer of motorcycles, with their core
>> >market in one single country, which is the US. And this is a US-
>> >centric ng. Does not sell many machines elsewhere in the world. If
>> >your definition of 'success' is 'they sell well here', then fine.
>> >Otherwise you're deluded.
>>
>> I know quite a few people who have been successful in a variety of
>> businesses. Small, medium, large or mammoth is not the benchmark to
>> measure success. Nor id extending their market share into every corner
>> of the world a factor. Often success is nothing more than providing a
>> quality product or service, at a fair price while providing for your
>> family and protecting your investors.
>>
>> Limited term success in business is easy. DAMHIK. Making it work for
>> the long haul takes true talent and drive.
>>
>> My sense is there are few people who would argue HD, since their
>> inception, have not been a successful company. More to the point a
>> company does not have to be a major player, or a player period, in the
>> international markets to be successful. In fact being the dominate
>> motorcycle manufacturer in one of the worlds largest markets is to be
>> applauded.
>>
>> Success is not related to size it is performance. [1]
>>
>> [1] Now that statement should take this thread in a new direction. <g>
>OK, so Harley has done well in the past. But it's been in deep shit
>before and it's in deep shit right now, which is where we came in.
Please read the article posted below.
>It'll get out of it, one way or t'other. Maybe it'll ask for tariffs
>again <VBG>
>But what do I care?
*Cough*Bullshit*Cough*
You take every opportunity you can to bash the Motor Company.
>I love Ducatis and Ducati has staggered from one
>financial crisis to another more often than RGD has staggered from one
>bar to the next.
Businesses struggle through the economic bad times doing what they can
to survive. The good ones, the successful ones, come out on the other
side stronger and ready to be a force in the new market.
You are no different than the many Harley haters that have cruised
through this forum, blind to the facts and stubborn in their opinions.
The following article seems to indicate HD has adjusted to the harsh
economic times and is in a decent position to move forward. They still
have work to do, but they are in a position to continue their long
record of proven performance in the motorcycle industry.
Quoted from Zacks.com
****************************
By: Zacks Equity Research
July 14, 2010 | Comments: 0
Recommended this article (2)
HOG | HMC
Print Share Harley-Davidson Inc. (HOG - Analyst Report) announced
that it would release its results for the second quarter of 2010
before the market opens on July 20, 2010. The Milwaukee-based
motorcycle maker posted a profit of 29 cents per share in the first
quarter of 2010, overriding the Zacks Consensus Estimate by 3 cents
per share. In the upcoming quarter, the Zacks Consensus Estimate for
Harley is a profit of 42 cents per share, reflecting an annualized
growth of 56%.
With respect to earnings surprises, the company has outdone the Zacks
Consensus Estimate over the trailing four quarters. This is reflected
in the average earnings surprise of 9.4%, implying that the company
has beaten the Zacks Consensus Estimate by the same magnitude over
that time period.
The current Zacks Consensus Estimates for the second quarter and
full-year 2010 are profits of 42 cents and $1.13, respectively. The
upside potential of these estimates, essentially a proxy for future
earnings surprises, are 11.91% and 6.19%, respectively.
******************************************
The complete article can be read here:
http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/36908/Earnings+Preview:+Harley-Davidson
Posted by TOG@Toil on July 16, 2010, 11:55 am
> You are no different than the many Harley haters that have cruised
> through this forum, blind to the facts and stubborn in their opinions.
<chortle>
You silly sod. I don't hate Harleys at all. In fact, a browse through
this forum will show several references which I made to the effect
that I might actually *buy* one[1].
Can't you get *anything* right?
(For the record, I've loved some I've ridden, like a couple of early
Evos - the Low Rider Convertible sticks in the mind - and a couple
I've hated, like a pre-rubber mount 1200 Sportster which was just
bloody awful, and a 1998 Road King which was positively dangerous.)
[1] Actually, many moons ago, I put down a deposit on an 883. A
fortnight later a stinging tax bill arrived[2] and that put paid to
that.
[2] Inland Revenue lost my details, sent mail to our old address whose
inhabitants didn't forward it, and when they did find out where we
were sent a huge estimated tax bill which had to be paid and then
reclaimed. Got the money back, but it knocked the 883 on the head and
somehow I never got around to trying to buy another. HoHum.
Posted by J. Clarke on July 16, 2010, 12:11 pm
On 7/16/2010 11:55 AM, TOG@Toil wrote:
>> You are no different than the many Harley haters that have cruised
>> through this forum, blind to the facts and stubborn in their opinions.
> <chortle>
> You silly sod. I don't hate Harleys at all. In fact, a browse through
> this forum will show several references which I made to the effect
> that I might actually *buy* one[1].
> Can't you get *anything* right?
> (For the record, I've loved some I've ridden, like a couple of early
> Evos - the Low Rider Convertible sticks in the mind - and a couple
> I've hated, like a pre-rubber mount 1200 Sportster which was just
> bloody awful, and a 1998 Road King which was positively dangerous.)
> [1] Actually, many moons ago, I put down a deposit on an 883. A
> fortnight later a stinging tax bill arrived[2] and that put paid to
> that.
> [2] Inland Revenue lost my details, sent mail to our old address whose
> inhabitants didn't forward it, and when they did find out where we
> were sent a huge estimated tax bill which had to be paid and then
> reclaimed. Got the money back, but it knocked the 883 on the head and
> somehow I never got around to trying to buy another. HoHum.
Never drink to excess--it can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.
-- The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
Posted by The Older Gentleman on July 16, 2010, 2:07 pm
> Never drink to excess--it can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.
> -- The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
Sounds almost P J O'Rourke-ian.
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> >Harley is a small volume producer of motorcycles, with their core
> >market in one single country, which is the US. And this is a US-
> >centric ng. Does not sell many machines elsewhere in the world. If
> >your definition of 'success' is 'they sell well here', then fine.
> >Otherwise you're deluded.
> I know quite a few people who have been successful in a variety of
> businesses. Small, medium, large or mammoth is not the benchmark to
> measure success. Nor id extending their market share into every corner
> of the world a factor. Often success is nothing more than providing a
> quality product or service, at a fair price while providing for your
> family and protecting your investors.
> Limited term success in business is easy. DAMHIK. Making it work for
> the long haul takes true talent and drive.
> My sense is there are few people who would argue HD, since their
> inception, have not been a successful company. More to the point a
> company does not have to be a major player, or a player period, in the
> international markets to be successful. In fact being the dominate
> motorcycle manufacturer in one of the worlds largest markets is to be
> applauded.
> Success is not related to size it is performance. [1]
> [1] Now that statement should take this thread in a new direction. <g>