Posted by David T. Ashley on October 12, 2008, 8:36 pm
For all those placing bets ... I screwed up.
Everything went according to plan, got the two sprockets in, found why my
gearshift lever had too much play (accidental find and fix), touched up some
corrosion on my swingarm and brake bar ... all great, EXCEPT ...
Spec said that I needed to expand to master link heads to 5.5 to 5.7mm, but
I could only get them to 5.3mm.
When I say that "I could only" what I mean is that I applied an ungodly
amount of torque to the staking tool (I'm still sore), and they just
wouldn't go any bigger.
I did everything by the book, including pressing the master link together so
that there was the required amount of protrusion by the pins before trying
to stake them, using the correct attachments, etc.
I found the tool unwieldly (not enough lever arm). I side-loaded the chain
quite a bit in the process of trying to get the heads up to spec.
Anyway, the bike is rideable (I put about 20 miles on it today), but I'm not
fully comfortable with the chain. I'll have the dealership put on a new
chain.
So, let me know who won and who lost money.
I'm fairly happy. Got 2/3 right. I had never taken apart the rear wheel
before ... interesting stuff in there. Had fun. Learning experience. The
rear brake is rather interesting. It is just a cam that forces the shoes
apart. Somehow I was expecting something more ... sophisticated.
Posted by BrianNZ on October 12, 2008, 8:41 pm
David T. Ashley wrote:
> For all those placing bets ... I screwed up.
>
> Everything went according to plan, got the two sprockets in, found why
> my gearshift lever had too much play (accidental find and fix), touched
> up some corrosion on my swingarm and brake bar ... all great, EXCEPT ...
>
> Spec said that I needed to expand to master link heads to 5.5 to 5.7mm,
> but I could only get them to 5.3mm.
>
> When I say that "I could only" what I mean is that I applied an ungodly
> amount of torque to the staking tool (I'm still sore), and they just
> wouldn't go any bigger.
>
> I did everything by the book, including pressing the master link
> together so that there was the required amount of protrusion by the pins
> before trying to stake them, using the correct attachments, etc.
>
> I found the tool unwieldly (not enough lever arm). I side-loaded the
> chain quite a bit in the process of trying to get the heads up to spec.
>
> Anyway, the bike is rideable (I put about 20 miles on it today), but I'm
> not fully comfortable with the chain. I'll have the dealership put on a
> new chain.
>
> So, let me know who won and who lost money.
>
> I'm fairly happy. Got 2/3 right. I had never taken apart the rear
> wheel before ... interesting stuff in there. Had fun. Learning
> experience. The rear brake is rather interesting. It is just a cam
> that forces the shoes apart. Somehow I was expecting something more ...
> sophisticated.
You only need a new link, not a new chain.
I'm giving you a 12 out of 10 in the 'effort' column........keep going....
Posted by Vito on October 12, 2008, 9:22 pm
> David T. Ashley wrote:
>> For all those placing bets ... I screwed up. .....
>>
>> Spec said that I needed to expand to master link heads to 5.5 to 5.7mm,
>> but I could only get them to 5.3mm. .....
>>
>> I'll have the dealership put on a new chain.
>>
> You only need a new link, not a new chain.
> I'm giving you a 12 out of 10 in the 'effort' column........keep going....
Besides, what makes you think the dealer will do it any better?
Posted by Mark Olson on October 12, 2008, 9:30 pm
Vito wrote:
>
>>David T. Ashley wrote:
>>
>>>For all those placing bets ... I screwed up. .....
>>>
>>>Spec said that I needed to expand to master link heads to 5.5 to 5.7mm,
>>>but I could only get them to 5.3mm. .....
>>>
>>> I'll have the dealership put on a new chain.
>>>
>>
>>You only need a new link, not a new chain.
>>
>>I'm giving you a 12 out of 10 in the 'effort' column........keep going....
>
>
> Besides, what makes you think the dealer will do it any better?
*ding*
Sometimes you have to question specs. You can't always defer to them
blindly, thinking that they are handed down in stone from on high. You
need to examine the link and decide whether it's going to be safe with
the amount of spreading you managed, and have some faith in your own
judgement.
Posted by David T. Ashley on October 12, 2008, 11:24 pm
> Vito wrote:
>>
>>>David T. Ashley wrote:
>>>
>>>>For all those placing bets ... I screwed up. .....
>>>>
>>>>Spec said that I needed to expand to master link heads to 5.5 to 5.7mm,
>>>>but I could only get them to 5.3mm. .....
>>>>
>>>> I'll have the dealership put on a new chain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You only need a new link, not a new chain.
>>>
>>>I'm giving you a 12 out of 10 in the 'effort' column........keep
>>>going....
>>
>>
>> Besides, what makes you think the dealer will do it any better?
> *ding*
> Sometimes you have to question specs. You can't always defer to them
> blindly, thinking that they are handed down in stone from on high. You
> need to examine the link and decide whether it's going to be safe with
> the amount of spreading you managed, and have some faith in your own
> judgement.
I can't agree with that statement. The manufacturer of the chain hardware
probably performed a battery of tests designed to accelerate failure. The
spec probably represents either the range of sizes found where the master
link won't fail before the rest of the chain hardware and/or the range of
sizes that were actually tested (with no knowledge by the manufacturer of
how smaller or larger expansions will necessarily perform).
I can't agree with ignoring the manufacturer's spec. in favor of my own
opinion.
My own opinion says that it is safe to ride for a little while until I get
the chain redone. But no longer.
Phrased more compactly ... 5.5 - 5.7 means that 5.499999999999999999999999
isn't good enough. And 5.3 ceratinly is not.
>
> Everything went according to plan, got the two sprockets in, found why
> my gearshift lever had too much play (accidental find and fix), touched
> up some corrosion on my swingarm and brake bar ... all great, EXCEPT ...
>
> Spec said that I needed to expand to master link heads to 5.5 to 5.7mm,
> but I could only get them to 5.3mm.
>
> When I say that "I could only" what I mean is that I applied an ungodly
> amount of torque to the staking tool (I'm still sore), and they just
> wouldn't go any bigger.
>
> I did everything by the book, including pressing the master link
> together so that there was the required amount of protrusion by the pins
> before trying to stake them, using the correct attachments, etc.
>
> I found the tool unwieldly (not enough lever arm). I side-loaded the
> chain quite a bit in the process of trying to get the heads up to spec.
>
> Anyway, the bike is rideable (I put about 20 miles on it today), but I'm
> not fully comfortable with the chain. I'll have the dealership put on a
> new chain.
>
> So, let me know who won and who lost money.
>
> I'm fairly happy. Got 2/3 right. I had never taken apart the rear
> wheel before ... interesting stuff in there. Had fun. Learning
> experience. The rear brake is rather interesting. It is just a cam
> that forces the shoes apart. Somehow I was expecting something more ...
> sophisticated.