Posted by Calgary (Don) on August 19, 2011, 10:37 pm
This one is the exception. The ad was placed in the Calgary Kijjiji
site. Some of the item description sounds like an urban myth and some
of it sound plausible. What do you think?
Either way it is a neat old bike. The full ad can be found here:
http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-motorcycles-street-cruisers-choppers-INDIAN-BMW-W0QQAdIdZ307085712
or
http://tinyurl.com/3kwtprl
Item Description:
There is nothing like this out there!!
Indian? BMW?
I am selling this bike with the original 1200kms.
This has the old 1938 design engine, the "38 flat head" that has the
stamp numbers that were used in the tool and dies in Berlin before
Russia striped the BMW factory in WW2
I have had it customized to look like the old 43 Indian.
Indian wanted to mass-produce them, but public opinion was against it
due to the war. (From BMW)
It has collector plates, and I put about 100kms on it a year.
It is a 58 CJ that 4 years ago was in a cave in Northern China waiting
for an invasion. I have a friend who is an Asian Relater in Vancouver,
who has a friend who buys military items in Shangi.
This bike is a one off. If you want a ride that truly turns heads at
shows as well as on the road, this is it.
I will also put in the saddlebags and jacket.
This bike is an original. Wheels are welded rims as was the day. This is
not a speed machine; it is a vintage timepiece of history.
NO joy riders or time wasters with questions but no intention of buying
please. I get tons of questions when riding. People have even followed
me home.
Keep the shiny side up.
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Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on August 20, 2011, 2:43 am
wrote:
> This one is the exception. The ad was placed in the Calgary Kijjiji
> site. Some of the item description sounds like an urban myth and some
> of it sound plausible. What do you think?
> Either way it is a neat old bike. The full ad can be found here:http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-motorcycles-street-cruisers- ...
> orhttp://tinyurl.com/3kwtprl
> Item Description:
> There is nothing like this out there!!
> Indian? BMW?
> I am selling this bike with the original 1200kms.
> This has the old 1938 design engine, the "38 flat head" that has the
> stamp numbers that were used in the tool and dies in Berlin before
> Russia striped the BMW factory in WW2
> I have had it customized to look like the old 43 Indian.
> Indian wanted to mass-produce them, but public opinion was against it
> due to the war. (From BMW)
As I understand it, both Harley and Indian produced opposed
twins during the war. I've seen a boxer Harley in a show. Not
so sure about Indian.
Not a big fan of modifying vintage bikes to make them look
like other vintage bikes.
Bike looks like a badly customized but otherwise unremarkable
1958 Chang Jiang motorcycle with a tall story attached to it.
As I understand it, they also make Urinals and Dneprs look
reliable.
http://bmwdean.com/h-d.htm
Posted by Calgary (Don) on August 20, 2011, 9:07 am
On 20/08/2011 12:43 AM, Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> wrote:
>> This one is the exception. The ad was placed in the Calgary Kijjiji
>> site. Some of the item description sounds like an urban myth and some
>> of it sound plausible. What do you think?
>>
>> Either way it is a neat old bike. The full ad can be found
here:http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-motorcycles-street-cruisers- ...
>> orhttp://tinyurl.com/3kwtprl
>>
>> Item Description:
>> There is nothing like this out there!!
>> Indian? BMW?
>> I am selling this bike with the original 1200kms.
>> This has the old 1938 design engine, the "38 flat head" that has the
>> stamp numbers that were used in the tool and dies in Berlin before
>> Russia striped the BMW factory in WW2
>> I have had it customized to look like the old 43 Indian.
>> Indian wanted to mass-produce them, but public opinion was against it
>> due to the war. (From BMW)
> As I understand it, both Harley and Indian produced opposed
> twins during the war. I've seen a boxer Harley in a show. Not
> so sure about Indian.
> Not a big fan of modifying vintage bikes to make them look
> like other vintage bikes.
I can appreciate both sides of that argument. I have been involved in
several heritage restorations, buildings, monuments, statues etc. and
the objective is to restore to original, which while challenging is also
rewarding. I can also appreciate well done custom cars. In fact hot
rodding and customizing cars is almost a tradition in NA. Oddly, I am
less enthused with most customized motorcycles I see.
> Bike looks like a badly customized but otherwise unremarkable
> 1958 Chang Jiang motorcycle with a tall story attached to it.
I'm not so sure I agree with you about it being badly customized but I
am onside with your reference to the tall story.
> As I understand it, they also make Urinals and Dneprs look
> reliable.
> http://bmwdean.com/h-d.htm
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Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on August 20, 2011, 7:35 pm
wrote:
> On 20/08/2011 12:43 AM, Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> > Not a big fan of modifying vintage bikes to make them look
> > like other vintage bikes.
> I can appreciate both sides of that argument. I have been involved in
> several heritage restorations, buildings, monuments, statues etc. and
> the objective is to restore to original, which while challenging is also
> rewarding. I can also appreciate well done custom cars. In fact hot
> rodding and customizing cars is almost a tradition in NA. Oddly, I am
> less enthused with most customized motorcycles I see.
> > Bike looks like a badly customized but otherwise unremarkable
> > 1958 Chang Jiang motorcycle with a tall story attached to it.
> I'm not so sure I agree with you about it being badly customized but I
> am onside with your reference to the tall story.
I kind of like the swoopy fenders but seriously dislike the fender
mounts.
More importantly, I've got no complaint if he wants to call it a
custom, but he seems to be calling it both custom and a historical
vintage original.
If it's a custom, it needs to stand on the merits of the
customization. If it's historical and vintage, it ought to be
more or less true to the original design.
Mostly, I find myself just disliking the ad and the guy who wrote
it. It strikes me he's trying to sell the bike as some sort of
a classic when he has few if any clues about motorcycles.
As I pointed out, he's totally off base when it comes to Harley
and Indian history:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://bmwdean.com/h-d.htm
Doubt he knows much about the Chang Jiang bike he's selling
either. Kind of like when Pawn Stars took a perfectly good
Husquvarna scrambler, raked the forks and gave it a hard
tail and then went on and on about how cool they'd made it.
Posted by Calgary (Don) on August 20, 2011, 9:01 pm
On 20/08/2011 5:35 PM, Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> wrote:
>> On 20/08/2011 12:43 AM, Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
>>> Not a big fan of modifying vintage bikes to make them look
>>> like other vintage bikes.
>>
>> I can appreciate both sides of that argument. I have been involved in
>> several heritage restorations, buildings, monuments, statues etc. and
>> the objective is to restore to original, which while challenging is also
>> rewarding. I can also appreciate well done custom cars. In fact hot
>> rodding and customizing cars is almost a tradition in NA. Oddly, I am
>> less enthused with most customized motorcycles I see.
>>
>>> Bike looks like a badly customized but otherwise unremarkable
>>> 1958 Chang Jiang motorcycle with a tall story attached to it.
>>
>> I'm not so sure I agree with you about it being badly customized but I
>> am onside with your reference to the tall story.
> I kind of like the swoopy fenders but seriously dislike the fender
> mounts.
> More importantly, I've got no complaint if he wants to call it a
> custom, but he seems to be calling it both custom and a historical
> vintage original.
The language used in the ad is very misleading.
> If it's a custom, it needs to stand on the merits of the
> customization. If it's historical and vintage, it ought to be
> more or less true to the original design.
> Mostly, I find myself just disliking the ad and the guy who wrote
> it. It strikes me he's trying to sell the bike as some sort of
> a classic when he has few if any clues about motorcycles.
> As I pointed out, he's totally off base when it comes to Harley
> and Indian history:
Did he mention Harley or Harley history? I must have missed it.
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://bmwdean.com/h-d.htm
> Doubt he knows much about the Chang Jiang bike he's selling
> either. Kind of like when Pawn Stars took a perfectly good
> Husquvarna scrambler, raked the forks and gave it a hard
> tail and then went on and on about how cool they'd made it.
Cool is in the eye of the beholder.
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Do not believe a thing I have said, unless you already know it to be
true, or can independently verify it from another source.
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> site. Some of the item description sounds like an urban myth and some
> of it sound plausible. What do you think?
> Either way it is a neat old bike. The full ad can be found here:http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-motorcycles-street-cruisers- ...
> orhttp://tinyurl.com/3kwtprl
> Item Description:
> There is nothing like this out there!!
> Indian? BMW?
> I am selling this bike with the original 1200kms.
> This has the old 1938 design engine, the "38 flat head" that has the
> stamp numbers that were used in the tool and dies in Berlin before
> Russia striped the BMW factory in WW2
> I have had it customized to look like the old 43 Indian.
> Indian wanted to mass-produce them, but public opinion was against it
> due to the war. (From BMW)