Posted by Tim on August 30, 2010, 7:42 am
wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:50:19 -0400, "Datesfat Chicks"
> >>> Back to the subject title, is 13 too young to be racing a high powered
> >>> motorcycle at a national level? Is a 13 year old physically strong
> >>> enough to effectively control a race bike and mentally mature enough
> >>> to make the responsible decisions on the track?
> >>The premise seems to be flawed.
> > Maybe I should rephrase that. Is a 13 year old mature enough to make
> > the decision to take the risks associated with racing competitively?
> Ah ... that argument I understand and agree with. You aren't talking about
> decisions while on the track, you are talking about the decision to be on
> the track at all to begin with.
The 13-year-old doesn't make that that decision, his/her parents do.
Posted by ? on August 30, 2010, 11:31 pm
wrote:
> Ah ... that argument I understand and agree with. You aren't talking about
> decisions while on the track, you are talking about the decision to be on
> the track at all to begin with.
A certain aspect of the license training curriculum seems to have
failed, because this young racer died on his warm up lap.
The organization needs to retrain those kids not to be so eager they
crash out while warming up the engine and tires.
In contrast, I recall when a kid in our pit (this "kid" was in his
mid-20's and worked in a bank) crashed on cold tires at Willow Spring
on his warm up lap.
He was so disgusted with himself he was going to hang it up for the
day and I asked him what kind of racer was he, to let a little plastic
damage end his day?
So he repaired the bike and rode in his novice race.
But his dad, instead of supporting his motorcycle racing, started
paying him $1000 a month to stay off the racetrack...
Posted by tomorrow@erols.com on August 31, 2010, 9:24 am
> wrote:
> > Ah ... that argument I understand and agree with. You aren't talking about
> > decisions while on the track, you are talking about the decision to be on
> > the track at all to begin with.
> A certain aspect of the license training curriculum seems to have
> failed, because this young racer died on his warm up lap.
I'm not certain this is the case. Racers have been upping the ante on
the warm-up lap for years as tires have gotten better and better and
better.
On this particular weekend, numerous MotoGP professional riders with
hundreds (if not thousands) of races under their belts crashed
multiple times during practice, when they are supposed to be testing
out the traction, because this particular racing surface was uniquely
slippery in certain places.` and at certain times of the day and of
the weekend.
I would say that investigation is warranted, but that unless there is
a pattern of crashes on the warm-up lap in the youth series that
extends BEYOND this particular track and this particular weekend, then
the incident that cost that young racer his life may have been an
unfortunate result of a unique set of circumstances rather than the
result of some lack of training or adult supervision in the
organization of the race series.
Posted by Twibil on August 29, 2010, 10:56 pm
> How old were you guys when you started?
I was racing bicycles as soon as I could ride one, go-carts at 12, and
motorcycles at 15.
> Would you encourage your 13 year old kids to race
> competitively?
(A) You don't have to encourage them. In fact, you'd have to beat
most kids off with a stick if they were presented with practically any
opportunity to race practically anything. Young men are like that,
and some young women are too.
(B) It's difficult to race *non*-competitively.
> Regardless, it is a shame this young man lost his life. RIP Peter.
Agreed. But he died just like a 60-year-old racer would in the same
circumstances: doing what he loved.
Posted by J. Clarke on August 29, 2010, 11:48 pm
On 8/29/2010 9:28 PM, don (Calgary) wrote:
> INDIANAPOLIS -- A 13-year-old motorcycle racer died Sunday after
> falling off his bike and getting run over by another motorcycle at
> Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
> Peter Lenz of Vancouver, Wash., was pronounced dead by the Marion
> County coroner after sustaining "traumatic injuries." The accomplished
> teenage rider crashed on a warmup lap before his race and was struck
> by 12-year-old Xavier Zayat, who was uninjured in the accident.
> Full story:
> http://tsn.ca/auto_racing/story/?id32074
> Things have changed since I was 13. The stuff I was into, I considered
> on the edge is absolutely tame by todays standards. I couldn't imagine
> motorcycle racing at this level, or any level back then. Hell we were
> riding bicycles and rolling down big hills in home made go karts at
> that age.
> Well if you ever saw my go cart you might think it was dangerous. A
> clumsy 2x4 frame with little shopping cart wheels on the front and 12"
> spoke wheels I found in a junk pile on the back. Axles cut in 30"
> lengths and nailed to a 2x4 held the wheels. Looking back it was kinda
> scary.
> Back to the subject title, is 13 too young to be racing a high powered
> motorcycle at a national level?
For certain values of "high powered". The bike he was riding produces
30HP or so.
> Is a 13 year old physically strong
> enough to effectively control a race bike and mentally mature enough
> to make the responsible decisions on the track?
If he's winning races right and left then he's making good decisions.
People who make bad ones don't win. The bike is purpose made to be
ridden by riders his age.
> We have a few competitive racers in this group. How old were you guys
> when you started? Would you encourage your 13 year old kids to race
> competitively?
> Regardless, it is a shame this young man lost his life. RIP Peter.
Always is. At least he went doing something he loved.
> >>> Back to the subject title, is 13 too young to be racing a high powered
> >>> motorcycle at a national level? Is a 13 year old physically strong
> >>> enough to effectively control a race bike and mentally mature enough
> >>> to make the responsible decisions on the track?
> >>The premise seems to be flawed.
> > Maybe I should rephrase that. Is a 13 year old mature enough to make
> > the decision to take the risks associated with racing competitively?
> Ah ... that argument I understand and agree with. You aren't talking about
> decisions while on the track, you are talking about the decision to be on
> the track at all to begin with.