*Chortle*
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On 18/11/2011 08:08, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> *Chortle*
And for the benefit of the uninitiated?
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> On 18/11/2011 08:08, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > *Chortle*
> And for the benefit of the uninitiated?
Oh, just a philosophical observation. Should have put 'OT' before it,
really. Never mind.
> On 11/19/2011 4:51 PM, I Can See Clearly Now! wrote:
> >> But Buddha was a Hindu prince...
> > No, he wasn't Siddhartha Gautama was a Jain of the soldier class
> Curious occupation for a sect sworn to non-violence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kshatriya
The Hindu "warrior" caste was considered by the brahmins to have no
soul, and couldn't be enlightened. Being born to the warrior caste,
prince Siddharta had no more spiritual "upward mobility" than a woman.
It's little known that the majority of Gautama Buddha's followers in
India *were* women. Gautama Buddha was in non-violent opposition to
the strictures of Hinduism and he initially followed the path of the
Niganthas, before striking out on his own Eightfold Noble Path.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism "Jainism is also referred to as
shramana dharma (self-reliant) or the "path of the niganthas" (those
without attachments or aversions) by ancient texts."
http://www.palikanon.com/namen/va/vappa.htm "2. Vappa. A SÄkiyan,
disciple of the Niganthas.* He visits MoggallÄna and they talk of the
Äsavas. The Buddha joins them and tells Vappa how the Äsavas can =
be
completely destroyed so that the monk who has so destroyed them will
abide in the six satata vihÄras with equanimity, mindful and
comprehending. Vappa is convinced of the superiority of the Buddha's
teaching and becomes his follower. A.ii.196f.
* AA.ii.559 says he was the Buddha's uncle (cÅ«lapitÄ) and a SÄ=
kiyan
rÄjÄ. He was a disciple of Nigantha NÄtaputta.
Devadaha Sutta - At Devadaha (Buddha teaches the Niganthas about
karma)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.101.than.html .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakya "Shakya was an ancient janapada
of South Asia in the 1st millennium BCE. In Buddhist texts the
Shakyas, the inhabitants of Shakya janapada, are mentioned as a
Kshatriya clan of Gotama gotra.The most famous Shakya was Gautama
Buddha, a member of the ruling Gautama clan of Lumbini, who is also
known as Shakyamuni Buddha, "sage of the Shakyas", due to his
association with this ancient kingdom."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakamuni