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MSF Course Pain and Suffering David T. Ashley 09-22-2008
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Posted by Road Glidin' Don on September 22, 2008, 1:30 am


> Just looking for any feedback here ...
>
> I was going to loan my Shadow 600 to a friend who was taking the MSF cour=
se
> with her hubby about a week ago. =A0My expectation was that both would en=
joy
> it and pass it.
>
> The weekend had pouring rain, nonstop.
>
> During the Saturday riding session, the hubby fell twice in braking-relat=
ed
> incidents, and his knee became very swollen. =A0He medical'd out of the
> course. =A0However, my friend was still on for the Sunday riding session
> without her hubby.
>
> During the exam for maximum performance braking, she dropped the bike (fr=
ont
> wheel lockup in the rain). =A0So, she failed the course and got banged up=
a
> bit.
>
> When I visited them this weekend, they were somewhat demoralized but not
> ready to sell their helmets quite yet.
>
> I told them that it was patently unfair to hold an MSF basic rider course=
in
> the rain. =A0The issue in my mind is that for most motorcycles, the front
> brake takes an awful lot of force to lock up on dry pavement. =A0In the r=
ain,
> it gets easier.
>
> Opinions? =A0Advice?

Around here, motorcycle training courses proceed regardless of
weather.

If you want to ride a motorcycle, you should be have gear sufficient
to protect you in steady rain, no matter how hard it gets. If you
want to ride a motorcycle, you should be able to control it in the
rain as well - including braking.

I don't see anything unfair about continuing the course in the rain.



Posted by on September 22, 2008, 1:52 am



>
> Around here, motorcycle training courses proceed regardless of
> weather.
>
My wife took the course 2 years ago, and it rained, but the course
went on anyway.
The following weekends were booked, so there was no other time. She
passed.
Just the luck of the draw as far as weather goes.
Bg

Posted by Bob Mann on September 22, 2008, 8:55 am


b9f0-2ed4792f99b3@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

> Around here, motorcycle training courses proceed regardless of
> weather.
>
> If you want to ride a motorcycle, you should be have gear sufficient
> to protect you in steady rain, no matter how hard it gets. If you
> want to ride a motorcycle, you should be able to control it in the
> rain as well - including braking.
>
> I don't see anything unfair about continuing the course in the rain.
>

My son took his course partially in the rain.
I told him it was a learning experience just like the rest of the course,
they'd teach him how to handle the bike in rain and he'd be a better rider
for the experience.
Afterwards he agreed with me although he still thought it would have been
better (I read "more fun") on dry pavement.

--
Bob Mann

Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r.

Posted by Timberwoof on September 22, 2008, 1:36 am



> Just looking for any feedback here ...
>
> I was going to loan my Shadow 600 to a friend who was taking the MSF course
> with her hubby about a week ago. My expectation was that both would enjoy
> it and pass it.
>
> The weekend had pouring rain, nonstop.
>
> During the Saturday riding session, the hubby fell twice in braking-related
> incidents, and his knee became very swollen. He medical'd out of the
> course. However, my friend was still on for the Sunday riding session
> without her hubby.
>
> During the exam for maximum performance braking, she dropped the bike (front
> wheel lockup in the rain). So, she failed the course and got banged up a
> bit.
>
> When I visited them this weekend, they were somewhat demoralized but not
> ready to sell their helmets quite yet.
>
> I told them that it was patently unfair to hold an MSF basic rider course in
> the rain. The issue in my mind is that for most motorcycles, the front
> brake takes an awful lot of force to lock up on dry pavement. In the rain,
> it gets easier.
>
> Opinions? Advice?

When I took the MSF class, we were told that if it rains, we ride anyway
because we need to learn how to ride in the rain. And the course I took
was on mostly harmless little 125 cc Nighthawks supplied by the outfit
doing the teaching. I'm surprised that she got to ride a 600 for the
course.

Without knowing the specifics of what happened, it's hard to say. In the
rain, a manhole cover in the middle of a really hard braking path will
throw you. But there shouldn't be any such hazards on an MSF course.

FWIW, I like ABS on my motorcycle.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml
Ten Steps to Fascism: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Posted by David T. Ashley on September 22, 2008, 9:35 am


>
> When I took the MSF class, we were told that if it rains, we ride anyway
> because we need to learn how to ride in the rain. And the course I took
> was on mostly harmless little 125 cc Nighthawks supplied by the outfit
> doing the teaching. I'm surprised that she got to ride a 600 for the
> course.

I phrased my original post poorly. If she and/or the hubby got their
motorcycle endorsement, I was going to loan them my 600.

The MSF course itself was with the traditional 250cc or smaller bikes.


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