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Motorcycle Mass And Safety AutoMajickal 10-29-2008
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Posted by AutoMajickal on October 29, 2008, 3:05 pm
Newb here.

Looking for my first bike and am doing the obligatory reading, Usenet
and print. I have read a couple of articles where the authors was
warning, complaining or cajoling smaller motorcycles and cyclists. The
center point was that you could buy a larger bike for not much or the
same money and the size of the bike (in weight and dimension) would
provide a greater safety net. Some indicated this would be in case of
striking or being struck by an auto, another cycle or an unmoving object
(curb, parked vehicle, Mother-In-Law, etc).

I have a hard time understanding the rationale. Let's use a Buell Blast
v.s. a Buell XB12 as examples.

You still have exposed limbs, not much more of anything in front of you
or behind you.

What am I missing, if anything?

Posted by Mark Olson on October 29, 2008, 3:45 pm
AutoMajickal wrote:
> Newb here.
>
> Looking for my first bike and am doing the obligatory reading, Usenet
> and print. I have read a couple of articles where the authors was
> warning, complaining or cajoling smaller motorcycles and cyclists. The
> center point was that you could buy a larger bike for not much or the
> same money and the size of the bike (in weight and dimension) would
> provide a greater safety net. Some indicated this would be in case of
> striking or being struck by an auto, another cycle or an unmoving object
> (curb, parked vehicle, Mother-In-Law, etc).
>
> I have a hard time understanding the rationale. Let's use a Buell Blast
> v.s. a Buell XB12 as examples.
>
> You still have exposed limbs, not much more of anything in front of you
> or behind you.
>
> What am I missing, if anything?

Nothing. A heavy bike isn't inherently safer in a crash than a light
bike. In fact it might be safer to crash on a lightweight bike- there's
less of the bike to crush you between it and some other object.

Very light bikes (250cc or smaller) are typically low in power which
makes them slow to accelerate at freeway speeds, which gives you one
less choice when electing whether to accelerate or slow down when you
find yourself in a bad situation. But there are very few cases where
slowing down is not preferable to speeding up. I suppose when you've
committed to passing a car and you find someone coming at you, and
traffic on your side of the highway has closed up and is refusing to
let you back in. I'll let the thinkers decide if that's a problem your
bike's engine should be solving, or if you brain could have prevented it.
Another real world case where power is a great thing is sitting at
a stop when someone barrels down at you from the rear, being able to
shoot foward like a rocket is prefereable to becoming a hood ornament.
But in that case I'll gladly take a 400 lb SV650 with 65 hp over an 800 lb
Electra Glide with 65 hp... or even better, my FJR1300 with 121hp/660 lb.

Posted by AutoMajickal on October 29, 2008, 4:01 pm
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:45:38 -0500, Mark Olson wrote:

> AutoMajickal wrote:
>> Newb here.
>>
>> Looking for my first bike and am doing the obligatory reading, Usenet
>> and print. I have read a couple of articles where the authors was
>> warning, complaining or cajoling smaller motorcycles and cyclists. The
>> center point was that you could buy a larger bike for not much or the
>> same money and the size of the bike (in weight and dimension) would
>> provide a greater safety net. Some indicated this would be in case of
>> striking or being struck by an auto, another cycle or an unmoving object
>> (curb, parked vehicle, Mother-In-Law, etc).
>>
>> I have a hard time understanding the rationale. Let's use a Buell Blast
>> v.s. a Buell XB12 as examples.
>>
>> You still have exposed limbs, not much more of anything in front of you
>> or behind you.
>>
>> What am I missing, if anything?
>
> Nothing. A heavy bike isn't inherently safer in a crash than a light
> bike. In fact it might be safer to crash on a lightweight bike- there's
> less of the bike to crush you between it and some other object.
>
> Very light bikes (250cc or smaller) are typically low in power which
> makes them slow to accelerate at freeway speeds, which gives you one
> less choice when electing whether to accelerate or slow down when you
> find yourself in a bad situation. But there are very few cases where
> slowing down is not preferable to speeding up. I suppose when you've
> committed to passing a car and you find someone coming at you, and
> traffic on your side of the highway has closed up and is refusing to
> let you back in. I'll let the thinkers decide if that's a problem your
> bike's engine should be solving, or if you brain could have prevented it.
> Another real world case where power is a great thing is sitting at
> a stop when someone barrels down at you from the rear, being able to
> shoot foward like a rocket is prefereable to becoming a hood ornament.
> But in that case I'll gladly take a 400 lb SV650 with 65 hp over an 800 lb
> Electra Glide with 65 hp... or even better, my FJR1300 with 121hp/660 lb.

My thoughts exactly. I kept telling myself that this mass concept didn't
make real world sense but being newbie at this, perhaps physics were
different in the cycle world. lol

WTS, I am finding myself leaning away from the Buell Blasts types and
more toward a standard rider with a slightly larger engine and frame. I
am from the auto racing (SCCA) world but speed isn't a priority until I
get the experience. hence, I am reluctant to sink much into Bike #1
since Bike #2 may not be many months away.

Posted by Mark Olson on October 29, 2008, 4:14 pm
AutoMajickal wrote:

> WTS, I am finding myself leaning away from the Buell Blasts types and
> more toward a standard rider with a slightly larger engine and frame. I
> am from the auto racing (SCCA) world but speed isn't a priority until I
> get the experience. hence, I am reluctant to sink much into Bike #1
> since Bike #2 may not be many months away.

Something that people in your position don't always get right away is that
when you buy a bike it's not necessarily a long term committment or a huge
monetary risk. If you buy a used bike that's a few years old (as in more
than 5 but less than 10) in good condition you can usually turn around and
sell it after a year or two for about what you paid for it, minus a few
hundred dollars at most, so you are not taking a beating if you decide you
want something different.

The most asinine thing said on this subject, and I read it frequently, is
'get the bike you really want right away'. If you really want a brand new
full dress tourer, should you get that right away? No. You definitely
should learn on an inexpensive lightweight good handling bike. You're
likely to drop it or at least ding it up- but going back to my previous
paragraph, if you buy it used and slightly scuffed no one is going to cry
over getting dent #2. Plus of course, it *is* far easier to learn to ride
on a smaller bike and believe it or not they're fun to ride, too.


Posted by Jujitsu Lizard on October 29, 2008, 4:27 pm
>
> The most asinine thing said on this subject, and I read it frequently, is
> 'get the bike you really want right away'. If you really want a brand new
> full dress tourer, should you get that right away? No. You definitely
> should learn on an inexpensive lightweight good handling bike. You're
> likely to drop it or at least ding it up- but going back to my previous
> paragraph, if you buy it used and slightly scuffed no one is going to cry
> over getting dent #2. Plus of course, it *is* far easier to learn to ride
> on a smaller bike and believe it or not they're fun to ride, too.

I've gotta agree with that. My poor Honda Shadow has been through hell. I
wouldn't want to do that to a more expensive bike.

It has been on its side probably 5 times, at non-zero speed 3 of those.

A friend got a V-Star 1300 or 1500 and he let me ride it around the airport.
I'm fine with it, but it would have been a bad choice as a first bike.


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