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Motorcycle Throttle / Carb Question David T. Ashley 01-29-2008
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Posted by David T. Ashley on January 29, 2008, 2:01 pm
Honda Shadow VT600. Inexpensive bike, ordinary carb.

Last night, temp got to 40 (Michigan) and I took it on the freeway to make
sure the battery is charged before parking it again.

I notice with the motorcycle in general that once I have a high throttle
setting and particularly if I'm accelerating I need to back down on the
throttle a LOT before the bike starts to slow.

It may be that the speed of the bike hasn't caught up to the previous
throttle setting, so may be kind of an "illusion" how much I need to back
off.

Are motorcycle carbs structurally different than automobile carbs in a way
that has "inertia" (resistance to change in setting)?

Maybe I've lost touch, because my last two vehicles (F-150, Ranger) have
been fuel-injected. Maybe all carb engines are that way.

P.S.--I have no evidence of throttle cable problems. I think everthing is
fine there mechanically.

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Posted by =?KOI8-R?B?9sTq1uzJ7Objxv0=?= on January 29, 2008, 3:40 pm

> Are motorcycle carbs structurally different than automobile carbs in a way=

> that has "inertia" (resistance to change in setting)?

In a constant vacuum carburetor, the butterfly is operated directly by
the cable, but the vacuum slide raises and lowers according to the
amount of vacuum in the intact tract.

The usual complaint with a constant vacuum carb is that when you roll
off the throttle, the motorcycle slows down to much.

It's possible that you have some gum and varnish buildup on the slides
and they are sticking open.

Spraying a little Berryman B12 or GumOut carburetor cleaner into the
carb instact willl free up the slides.

OTOH, if you have messed around with the idle mixture screws, you may
have them open too far and this causes the engine to run on the
acceleration transition ports if you turn the idle speed up to
compensate for rich idle mixture.


Posted by Ken Abrams on January 29, 2008, 6:56 pm


> Last night, temp got to 40 (Michigan) and I took it on the freeway to make
> sure the battery is charged before parking it again.
>
I respectfully suggest that you invest $15 or so on a small battery charger
Because....Brrrrr....and also because one can't really be sure if you are
getting a net gain or net loss during an actual (short) ride.

> I notice with the motorcycle in general that once I have a high throttle
> setting and particularly if I'm accelerating I need to back down on the
> throttle a LOT before the bike starts to slow.
>

Yes, this is normal throttle response for any vehicle with a carb and a
"smallish" engine. The smaller the engine, the more pronounced the effect.
With a little practice you should be able to minimize the effect by learning
what it feels like to PASS the point where additional throttle does nothing.




Posted by Wayne on January 30, 2008, 2:59 pm

> Honda Shadow VT600. Inexpensive bike, ordinary carb.
>
> Last night, temp got to 40 (Michigan) and I took it on the freeway to make
> sure the battery is charged before parking it again.
>
> I notice with the motorcycle in general that once I have a high throttle
> setting and particularly if I'm accelerating I need to back down on the
> throttle a LOT before the bike starts to slow.
>
> It may be that the speed of the bike hasn't caught up to the previous
> throttle setting, so may be kind of an "illusion" how much I need to back
> off.
>
> Are motorcycle carbs structurally different than automobile carbs in a way
> that has "inertia" (resistance to change in setting)?
>
> Maybe I've lost touch, because my last two vehicles (F-150, Ranger) have
> been fuel-injected. Maybe all carb engines are that way.
>
> P.S.--I have no evidence of throttle cable problems. I think everthing is
> fine there mechanically.
>
> --
> David T. Ashley (dta@e3ft.com)
> http://www.e3ft.com (Consulting Home Page)
> http://www.dtashley.com (Personal Home Page)
> http://gpl.e3ft.com (GPL Publications and Projects)
>
I once had a bare bones bike with no windshield and I loved the constant
wind force on my face. However, every time a truck past I got hit with a lot
of small bits that blew off the road. Also the bugs can hurt. So, I started
looking for a windshield. I tried several and I tried different angles. They
all caused buffetting enough to give me a headache. I then tried deflectors
attached to my forks and I found they helped some. I even got some plastic
and tried to make diferent sizes and shapes.
I was never satisfied. I then bought a Goldwing and the shield was high
enough that I had to look through it. There was still buffetting but because
of the fairing and the shield size, the buffetting was tolerable. I found
that the view is really bad if you are looking into the sun at sundown. You
can't see at all. Raising my head enough to just se over the top doesn't
seem to make the buffetting much worse.
I have been told that the bikes that have a shield that is raised away from
the bike so some air flows under the sheild as well as over it tends to
reduce buffetting. Apparently the under sheild flow is tuned to reduce the
turbulance at the top because the waves are out of phase. I don't know if
this true as all the bikes with this type of shield seem to be low enough to
see over it.
The BMW tourer and the FJR1300 both have this type of shield and they are
adjustable. I
d sure like to know if anyone has this type of shield and how well they
work.
Wayne Jones
86 Venture


Posted by Doug Payne on January 30, 2008, 3:06 pm
Wayne wrote:

> I have been told that the bikes that have a shield that is raised away
> from the bike so some air flows under the sheild as well as over it
> tends to reduce buffetting. Apparently the under sheild flow is tuned to
> reduce the turbulance at the top because the waves are out of phase. I
> don't know if this true as all the bikes with this type of shield seem
> to be low enough to see over it.
> The BMW tourer and the FJR1300 both have this type of shield and they
> are adjustable. I
> d sure like to know if anyone has this type of shield and how well they
> work.

I do. It works well, once you get it adjusted to suit yourself.

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