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Motorcycles, scooters pollute much more than cars (San Mateo County Times) admin 09-22-2008
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Posted by Beauregard T. Shagnasty on September 25, 2008, 7:20 am


Bob wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>|> Unfortunately, Mr. adminspammer won't see your reply. ...
>
> Thanks for the heads-up, I forgot this one, he should be on the
> flooder/abuse/hipcrime list....
>
> I'll see if he can be "fixed"?

I wrote to him a few days ago, using his 'contact us' form, and as
expected, got no reply. He's currently up to 2,506 posts for September
-- his biggest month ever by far -- so don't look for him to quit
anytime soon.

Perhaps he retired from his day job. :-(

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Posted by SoCalMike on September 30, 2008, 6:26 pm


Bob wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2008 02:09:28 -0500, admin@ng2000.com wrote:
>
> |>
> |>http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=motorcycles
> |>
>
>         That's a bald faced lie, considering Trucks and other older cars
> involved i the air care projects....

it very well might be true. just because an engine is smaller doesnt
mean its cleaner.

honda had to stop selling a bunch of their lineup (at least in
california) because the engines no longer met standards. what engines?

reflex
big ruckus
helix
elite 80...

its quite possible a 2008 honda helix puts out more pollutants than a
2008 honda civic.

and no, just slapping a catalytic converter on it doesnt do the trick.

the kawasaki EX/ninja 500 was another that didnt make the cut.

what they all have in common is old-school engine technology. the elite
80, helix, and EX500 have (had) engines basically unchanged in 25+
years. the reflex/ruckus engines are newer, but still not "clean".



>
>         Scooters like the Maxi ones "Yamaha Majesty" have had a catalytic
> converter for the longest time....

in EU, yes. My 2009 TMax is the first ive owned with a catalyst. and the
second one ive owned with EFI. love it! no choke, no stumbling... just
get on and go.
>
>         You just drive a M/Cycle behind a diesel or other tractor trailer
> rig, and get a real whiff on what you're talking about....

Posted by Dennis Lee Bieber on October 1, 2008, 12:40 am


On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:26:40 -0700, SoCalMike

> Bob wrote:
> > On 22 Sep 2008 02:09:28 -0500, admin@ng2000.com wrote:
> >
> > |>
> > |>http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=motorcycles
> > |>
> >
> >         That's a bald faced lie, considering Trucks and other older cars
> > involved i the air care projects....
>
> it very well might be true. just because an engine is smaller doesnt
> mean its cleaner.
>
        Note that the subject is not a comparison of modern vs modern, but
overall...

        How many 2-cycle motors are still out on the streets?

        In contrast, my scooter apparently has just about as much pollution
control gear as my jeep -- including a small catalytic converter with
air injection, and probably a scavenging fuel vapor canister...

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Posted by Bob on October 1, 2008, 8:04 am


On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:40:30 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber

|>        Note that the subject is not a comparison of modern vs modern, but
|>overall...
|>        How many 2-cycle motors are still out on the streets?
|>
|>        In contrast, my scooter apparently has just about as much pollution
|>control gear as my jeep -- including a small catalytic converter with
|>air injection, and probably a scavenging fuel vapor canister...


        In the Majesty 400cc, is that (canister) linked from the gas tank to
the TPS the (scavenging fuel vapor canister), I thought it was a fuel
cleaner, that assisted the fuel injection system, even though they are
separate systems.

        Mine (20005) hasn't had the 2 factory recalls done.......I'll wait
till I really need new seals and connectors.....there is no deadline date
anyway, and they just might come up with the (valve tensioner) and the
(final drive gear) recall at a later date.

Posted by R. LaCasse on October 2, 2008, 2:28 pm


On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:40:51 -0700, SoCalMike

|>
|>what are the final drive and valve tensioner issues? they sound like
|>they could be important, and expensive if they go.

        They were recalled on other Yamahas of similar makes Majesty,
Morphus......they all shared the same basic CVT and the 250/400cc and the
same production engines had a possible problem on the main Jap site...

        I forget the URL just now, but if I get a problem there, I'll be
there
(http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/recall/mc/recall/2007-05-10/index.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dyamaha%2Btmax%2Brecall%26hl%3Den&usg=ALkJrhgNKR997no9kOKkX_fcbA826I3GUw)
real quick, pointing at things.....

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