Posted by Vito on January 29, 2010, 8:40 pm
> Yes - if you pull the cylinder off the piston you really should replace
> the
> rings. Try to avoid that.
[ Piston rings ? Why ? Or did you mean O-rings ?
Against all advice I tried not doing that, once on a BMW and once on a VW.
In both cases the rings never reseated right and I ended up doing the job
over. Ditto a H-D a dealer did replacing base gaskets. Naturally ymmv but
I always avoided pulling the jugs off the pistons thereafter. One can pull
them off just enough to get the gudgeon pin out without disturbing the rings
if replacing base gaskets.
Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on January 29, 2010, 11:23 pm
> > Yes - if you pull the cylinder off the piston you really should replace
> > the
> > rings. Try to avoid that.
> [ Piston rings ? Why ? Or did you mean O-rings ?
> Against all advice I tried not doing that, once on a BMW and once on a VW.
> In both cases the rings never reseated right and I ended up doing the job
> over. Ditto a H-D a dealer did replacing base gaskets. Naturally ymmv but
> I always avoided pulling the jugs off the pistons thereafter. One can pull
> them off just enough to get the gudgeon pin out without disturbing the rings
> if replacing base gaskets.
Come to think of it, I'll normally pull the cylinder with the piston
still in it, though I'm pretty sure I've removed them too without
seating problems.
IIRC, the normal ring seating advice on the BMW lists is
"Ride it like you stole it".
Posted by Vito on January 30, 2010, 9:12 am
| IIRC, the normal ring seating advice on the BMW lists is
| "Ride it like you stole it".
|
Yes. A BMW wrench told me the drill for new bikes who's owners could not
seat the rings in 20,000 miles was to wash the pistons and bores in soap and
water, wet a finger in oil and rub each piston skirt, otherwise assemble dry
then start motor and immediately run it at 4000 rpm for about a minute.
Never tried it myself .....
Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on January 30, 2010, 12:48 pm
> | IIRC, the normal ring seating advice on the BMW lists is
> | "Ride it like you stole it".
> |
> Yes. A BMW wrench told me the drill for new bikes who's owners could not
> seat the rings in 20,000 miles was to wash the pistons and bores in soap and
> water, wet a finger in oil and rub each piston skirt, otherwise assemble dry
> then start motor and immediately run it at 4000 rpm for about a minute.
> Never tried it myself .....
I've hear all kinds of scary procedures. Last time I
did the rings, I started with a 10/40 oil for the first
couple hundred miles, followed by dino 20/50, followed
by synthetic one or two changes later.
Going back the the Dnepr though, I found some good
photos:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447932&page=4
Looks like there's a cylinder base gasket to worry about.
Not sure how the oil feeds in and out of the heads, so there
could be O-rings in there too.
Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on January 30, 2010, 12:56 pm
> I have a (more or less) BMW R65 clone motor on the Dnepr. The other day
> I over-revved it (by doing 51 mph) and now there's an oil leak. It seems
> to be between the pushrod tubes and the motor block. The tubes terminate
> in some kind of black plastic(?) boots which fit into machined recesses
> in the block. The oil sprays out between these boots and the block.
> Any help appreciated
> TIA, Sean Q
> '06 Zuk S40 / '85 Dnepr MT-11 / various bent bikes in triage
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447932
Found ya some more photos.
On advrider, you probably want to search for more
of this guys posts. He's got one seriously abused
engine that he's rebuilding.
> the
> rings. Try to avoid that.