Posted by Polarhound on March 30, 2007, 9:38 pm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/03/young_democrats_just_dont_get.html
In the current War on Terror, or clash of civilizations, we are being
reminded that the war is a failure and that the Bush administration
never had a plan in Iraq. In fact our liberal friends feel that the
failures in Iraq are sufficient reason to abandon the whole thing as
Bush's fault and a dreadful mistake. Get out of a mistaken initiative.
Good point, liberals. So why not ditch the whole mess of government
pensions, government health care, and government education, bloody
messes that eat up about $2.5 trillion a year, four times the budget of
the Pentagon and 25 times the $100 billion a year cost of the Iraq mess?
Jacob Aronson and Kos are missing the point. Who cares if the government
could be better-managed, or if corporations are becoming too powerful?
That's kids' stuff. The only thing that matters for the next Democratic
administration is to keep those trillions of dollars coming to the
millions of faithful Democratic voters. Yes. We are talking about
trillions.
Posted by BryanUT on March 30, 2007, 9:49 pm
> http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/03/young_democrats_just_dont_get.html
> In the current War on Terror, or clash of civilizations, we are being
> reminded that the war is a failure and that the Bush administration never
> had a plan in Iraq. In fact our liberal friends feel that the failures in
> Iraq are sufficient reason to abandon the whole thing as Bush's fault and
> a dreadful mistake. Get out of a mistaken initiative.
> Good point, liberals. So why not ditch the whole mess of government
> pensions, government health care, and government education, bloody messes
> that eat up about $2.5 trillion a year, four times the budget of the
> Pentagon and 25 times the $100 billion a year cost of the Iraq mess?
> Jacob Aronson and Kos are missing the point. Who cares if the government
> could be better-managed, or if corporations are becoming too powerful?
> That's kids' stuff. The only thing that matters for the next Democratic
> administration is to keep those trillions of dollars coming to the
> millions of faithful Democratic voters. Yes. We are talking about
> trillions.
You disappoint me Polar. This is the exact type of bullshit Henry spews.
You've been posting a long time and I know your posts from a certain vintage
mail list, I am sure you are passionate in your convictions and point of
view. No worries with that.
But fer cryin' out loud that is some stink old troll bait you threw out.
BTW, hows that old Honda 175 coming out? That is an under apreciated bike.
Posted by Justin on March 30, 2007, 10:51 pm
: In the current War on Terror, or clash of civilizations, we are being
: reminded that the war is a failure and that the Bush administration
: never had a plan in Iraq. In fact our liberal friends feel that the
: failures in Iraq are sufficient reason to abandon the whole thing as
: Bush's fault and a dreadful mistake. Get out of a mistaken initiative.
This is not exactly how all "liberals" feel. A large segment of the
population (democrats and republicans) feels that the problem is not
whether we got in there on false pretenses, which there is very little
debate about anymore, but that we're not doing much good there and in fact
we may just be making things worse.
In summary, there are three basic issues:
Past: Got there on stretched truths and false pretenses. Very litte
debate there now, even among those who can't admit mistakes.
Present Desire: Would like to stay and clean up the mess, help the people
and so on. Definitely, IF we could help.
Present Reality: Are we in fact helping? If not, maybe we ought to get
out.
Justin
'07 Suzuki SV650
'02 Shadow VT750
Posted by .p.jm on March 31, 2007, 10:07 am
wrote:
>: In the current War on Terror, or clash of civilizations, we are being
>: reminded that the war is a failure and that the Bush administration
>: never had a plan in Iraq. In fact our liberal friends feel that the
>: failures in Iraq are sufficient reason to abandon the whole thing as
>: Bush's fault and a dreadful mistake. Get out of a mistaken initiative.
>This is not exactly how all "liberals" feel. A large segment of the
>population (democrats and republicans) feels that the problem is not
>whether we got in there on false pretenses, which there is very little
>debate about anymore,
True -= we did not, everyone knows that. Some flawed
information ( which, BTW, every intelligence agency in the world
agreed with ), yes, but not 'false pretenses'.
> but that we're not doing much good there and in fact
>we may just be making things worse.
>In summary, there are three basic issues:
>Past: Got there on stretched truths and false pretenses. Very litte
>debate there now, even among those who can't admit mistakes.
You liberals love to start a debate by saying 'no one is
allowed to argue this point or that point', huh ? Same thing the
global warming folks always do. Why does anyone disagreeing with you
terrify you so much ? It can only be because you know you make shit
up out of whole cloth, and it's a load of crap.
>Present Desire: Would like to stay and clean up the mess, help the people
>and so on. Definitely, IF we could help.
>Present Reality: Are we in fact helping? If not, maybe we ought to get
>out.
>Justin
>'07 Suzuki SV650
>'02 Shadow VT750
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Posted by .p.jm on April 2, 2007, 1:08 pm
wrote:
>> "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote:
>> .... As long as countries stick to the normal battlefield weapons, their
>> civilian
>> populations according to the rules of war, are off limits.
>Which is precisely why we won't win this - or any other - war.
>Beating their military won't change the populous opinion. I also doubt if
Wars are not fought to 'change popular opinion'. They are
fought to FORCE the other side to change what they are doing,
willy-nilly, against their will and against their 'popular opinion'.
They are free to continue to not like it.
>we would use a nuclear weapon in any country that has a commodity we want.
>They could care less about taking out civilians or another countries
>commodities. We didn't care in Japan so the populous got attacked as well.
The populace of an enemy who is fighting a war with us IS
fighting a war with us. Without that populace, their military ceases
to exist, therefore the populace is part and parcel of their war
effort.
>In this war, we send our soldiers to jail. We really need Spartan-like
>commanders where there are no rules of war.
Yep. Get Roman on 'em.
>The HMS Cornwall should have fired a warning shot across the bow of the
>Iranian ship that took the English hostages if they were indeed in
Followed by more deadly volleys if needed. No way in HELL
should they have allowed those hostages to be taken.
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> In the current War on Terror, or clash of civilizations, we are being
> reminded that the war is a failure and that the Bush administration never
> had a plan in Iraq. In fact our liberal friends feel that the failures in
> Iraq are sufficient reason to abandon the whole thing as Bush's fault and
> a dreadful mistake. Get out of a mistaken initiative.
> Good point, liberals. So why not ditch the whole mess of government
> pensions, government health care, and government education, bloody messes
> that eat up about $2.5 trillion a year, four times the budget of the
> Pentagon and 25 times the $100 billion a year cost of the Iraq mess?
> Jacob Aronson and Kos are missing the point. Who cares if the government
> could be better-managed, or if corporations are becoming too powerful?
> That's kids' stuff. The only thing that matters for the next Democratic
> administration is to keep those trillions of dollars coming to the
> millions of faithful Democratic voters. Yes. We are talking about
> trillions.