but I don't know enough about the aerobatic circuit to guess who the gal is.
P.S.--When I got my pilot's license, they wouldn't let me try ANY of those
moves. I'm also surprised at how fast those planes climb. Even if you fly
low just above the ground to build speed and then pitch up, a Cessna 172
will NOT climb like when the gal peels off the runway.
P.P.S.--An odd question for rec.motorcycles, but there is a lot of
unexpected expertise here.
Posted by Beauregard T. Shagnasty on June 2, 2008, 11:33 pm
David T. Ashley wrote:
> http://www.dtashley.com/acro.wmv > > who is the gal?
Svetlana Kapanina
hWkkCISOw
> P.S.--When I got my pilot's license, they wouldn't let me try ANY of > those moves. I'm also surprised at how fast those planes climb. > Even if you fly low just above the ground to build speed and then > pitch up, a Cessna 172 will NOT climb like when the gal peels off the > runway.
A 172 crashed near me yesterday. Hopefully they weren't trying
aerobatics.
Posted by David T. Ashley on June 3, 2008, 12:33 am
> David T. Ashley wrote: >> http://www.dtashley.com/acro.wmv >> >> who is the gal? > Svetlana Kapanina > hWkkCISOw
Once again, this group comes through in exceptional ways. Wow! Thanks.
Once I had the name, I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Kapanina
>> P.S.--When I got my pilot's license, they wouldn't let me try ANY of >> those moves. I'm also surprised at how fast those planes climb. >> Even if you fly low just above the ground to build speed and then >> pitch up, a Cessna 172 will NOT climb like when the gal peels off the >> runway. > A 172 crashed near me yesterday. Hopefully they weren't trying > aerobatics. > <http://rnews.com/Story_2004.cfm?IDa715&rnews_story_type &category>
The URL was kind of sad. It is sad to read about serious injuries,
especially of the spinal kind.
Statistics say that for a single-engine plane with an engine out, the
mortality rate is about 1 in 20 and the injury rate is about 1 in 3 (per
occupant, I'd assume). So, with one person in the plane, it is 2 chances in
3 that he or she will walk away from the accident.
Because planes are built for weight, some of the accidents are kind of ugly.
I saw one accident where the cockpit was folded under. The pilot was
pronounced dead at the scene.
Of the flight instructors I know, there are two instructors who have had two
engine failures each (the rest have had none). In one case, the engine
failures were about 10 years apart. In the other case, they were only a
couple years apart.
3 of the 4 engine outs in those two instructors were injury-free. One,
however, left the instructor with a serious back injury that tooks months to
heal. It was pretty ugly from a lack-of-options point of view. They were
taking off and the engine quit below 1,000 feet. They made it to I-96 near
Lansing, Michigan. It was the standard deal of freeway motorists with a
good story to tell. I'm not sure how the back injury came about.
My pilot training was kind of erratic, but IMHO they didn't spend enough
time or discipline on engine outs. I decided to become better at it and dig
up additional resources on my own. But in general, takeoff is not a time
for chatting or sightseeing, at least not for the pilot. At every point
below 1,000 feet, one should know exactly what one will do. The problem is
that at the low altitudes, there isn't a lot of time to analyze and make
decisions, so one has to have the crash site picked out in advance. One
also has to have it set in one's mind, in advance, whether or not to try to
make it back to the runway. It wastes time to look at the altimeter, do the
subtraction, and think "too low".
Approaches and landings are a bit risky, too. The rule of thumb is to plan
to lose 1,000 feet for each 3 miles from the airport -- so if you're 15
miles out and have 5,000 feet to lose, it is time to start descending. The
problem is that near the end of the descent, as you reach 1,000 feet above
the ground (traffic pattern altitude), you can spend some time low and far
enough from the runway that you can't make the runway or anything else
attractive. I haven't found a way to completely eliminate this window of
vulnerability, but I try to minimize it.
The news article seems to suggest that they were on the way back to the
airport. They may have been low and far from the runway. I never liked
that phase of flight.
> -- > -bts > -Friends don't let friends drive Windows
Posted by Beauregard T. Shagnasty on June 3, 2008, 12:54 am
David T. Ashley wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote: >> David T. Ashley wrote: >>> http://www.dtashley.com/acro.wmv >>> who is the gal? >> >> Svetlana Kapanina >> hWkkCISOw > > Once again, this group comes through in exceptional ways. Wow! > Thanks.
You're welcome. I had to google; couldn't remember her last name.
> Once I had the name, I found this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Kapanina
Saw that.
>> A 172 crashed near me yesterday. Hopefully they weren't trying >> aerobatics. >> >> <http://rnews.com/Story_2004.cfm?IDa715&rnews_story_type &category> > > The URL was kind of sad. It is sad to read about serious injuries, > especially of the spinal kind.
... > The news article seems to suggest that they were on the way back to > the airport. They may have been low and far from the runway. I > never liked that phase of flight.
They were flying from the Batavia airport to Ledgedale Airpark. Not very
far at all, about 25 miles by motorcycle.
I've a friend with a Cessna Cardinal. He lives over in Connecticut and I
get a ride about once a year. Last year (me in the right seat), I'm
flying it, and said, "How about we do a Split-S?" and made a little jerk
of the wheel. Just in jest. He about shit his pants.
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows
Posted by Mortimer Schnerd, RN on June 3, 2008, 8:37 am
David T. Ashley wrote:
> Of the flight instructors I know, there are two instructors who have had two > engine failures each (the rest have had none). In one case, the engine > failures were about 10 years apart. In the other case, they were only a > couple years apart. > 3 of the 4 engine outs in those two instructors were injury-free. One, > however, left the instructor with a serious back injury that tooks months to > heal. It was pretty ugly from a lack-of-options point of view. They were > taking off and the engine quit below 1,000 feet. They made it to I-96 near > Lansing, Michigan. It was the standard deal of freeway motorists with a > good story to tell. I'm not sure how the back injury came about.
I've had I think 6 engine outs in almost 3000 hours of flying. Most of them
were just running a tank dry and I got a later restart, including one where a
fuel selector showed a different tank than the one it actually was drawing from.
I shut down an engine once that was leaving a smoke trail and made an immediate
on-airport landing after completing the pattern on the other engine. I had one
catastrophic failure in a Piper Lance that left me with severe injuries in the
subsequent crash: an incomplete amputation of my right forearm (reattached and
works at about 90% of its original ability) and a crushed hip that was screwed
back together but was ultimately replaced about 15 years later. It's the only
time I've ever been hurt flying and it's the only time I ever hurt anybody
flying... the other fellow broke his leg.
The one thing I came away from this with is the sense that lightning doesn't
always strike the other guy. I still fly but I admit if an engine hiccups it
about gives me heart failure.
>
> who is the gal?