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Polar Squid? Thumper 12-18-2007
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Posted by Thumper on December 19, 2007, 12:17 pm

>
<snip>

> How about a trip to Phoenix in late April? Perhaps I could introduce you
> to a Harley hating right winger. It could be a "trip".
>

Kesti lives in Bisbee?


--
Rev. Thumper Rabbitt

Minister and Prophet,
Church of Rec.Motorcycles®.

> Maybe we could get Turby to come along, the right winger owns a KLR aslo.
>
> I take that back. Not Phoenix, Bisbee:
>
> http://www.theshadydell.com/
>



Posted by Michael R. Kesti on December 19, 2007, 3:41 pm
Thumper wrote:

>>
><snip>
>
>> How about a trip to Phoenix in late April? Perhaps I could introduce you
>> to a Harley hating right winger. It could be a "trip".
>
>Kesti lives in Bisbee?

No, nor am I a Harley hater. My disgust for loud pipes is strictly on
an equal opportunity basis.

Right winger? I suppose, given that libertarianism is more closely
aligned with the right than the left.

--
========================================================================
Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
| two, one and one make one."
mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain

Posted by Chuck Rhode on December 20, 2007, 9:18 am
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:41:13 -0800, Michael R. Kesti wrote:

> Right winger? I suppose, given that libertarianism is more closely
> aligned with the right than the left.

It's a puzzlement! *I* think of these as the same:

o Left - Right

o Liberal - Conservative

o Jeffersonian - Jacksonian

o Federalist - States' Rights

o Big Government - Libertarianism

o Communism - Fascism

... all having to do with statecraft. Admittedly these terms are not
all of the same vintage, and there has been some drift over time in
their generally accepted definitions. This is how I explain the
paradox of twisting "Big Government" around to the left of
"Libertarianism." On second thought I guess the paradox has always
been there. Jefferson spent an incredible amount of cash on the
Louisiana Purchase, didn't he?

However, there are other dimensions such as economics:

o Communism - Capitalism

o centrally planned - free market

... and religion:

o Universalism - Fundamentalism

... and ethics:

o Communism - Populism

... so I think you could be a Jeffersonian Populist even though you'd
be a really rare bird.

... and did anyone actually watch _Rise and Fall of the City of
Mahagony_ on PBS?

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.. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA
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Posted by Michael R. Kesti on December 20, 2007, 10:28 am
Chuck Rhode wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:41:13 -0800, Michael R. Kesti wrote:
>
>> Right winger? I suppose, given that libertarianism is more closely
>> aligned with the right than the left.
>
>It's a puzzlement! *I* think of these as the same:
>
>o Left - Right
>
>o Liberal - Conservative
>
>o Jeffersonian - Jacksonian
>
>o Federalist - States' Rights
>
>o Big Government - Libertarianism
>
>o Communism - Fascism
>
>... all having to do with statecraft. Admittedly these terms are not
>all of the same vintage, and there has been some drift over time in
>their generally accepted definitions. This is how I explain the
>paradox of twisting "Big Government" around to the left of
>"Libertarianism." On second thought I guess the paradox has always
>been there. Jefferson spent an incredible amount of cash on the
>Louisiana Purchase, didn't he?
>
>However, there are other dimensions such as economics:
>
>o Communism - Capitalism
>
>o centrally planned - free market
>
>... and religion:
>
>o Universalism - Fundamentalism
>
>... and ethics:
>
>o Communism - Populism

You don't seem to be at all puzzled, Chuck.

>... so I think you could be a Jeffersonian Populist even though you'd
>be a really rare bird.

Heh.

>... and did anyone actually watch _Rise and Fall of the City of
>Mahagony_ on PBS?

I didn't watch it nor do I recall seeing it promoted.

--
========================================================================
Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
| two, one and one make one."
mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain

Posted by Thumper on December 21, 2007, 12:16 pm

> Chuck Rhode wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:41:13 -0800, Michael R. Kesti wrote:
>>
>>> Right winger? I suppose, given that libertarianism is more closely
>>> aligned with the right than the left.
>>
>>It's a puzzlement! *I* think of these as the same:
>>
>>o Left - Right
>>
>>o Liberal - Conservative
>>
>>o Jeffersonian - Jacksonian
>>
>>o Federalist - States' Rights
>>
>>o Big Government - Libertarianism
>>
>>o Communism - Fascism
>>
>>... all having to do with statecraft. Admittedly these terms are not
>>all of the same vintage, and there has been some drift over time in
>>their generally accepted definitions. This is how I explain the
>>paradox of twisting "Big Government" around to the left of
>>"Libertarianism." On second thought I guess the paradox has always
>>been there. Jefferson spent an incredible amount of cash on the
>>Louisiana Purchase, didn't he?
>>
>>However, there are other dimensions such as economics:
>>
>>o Communism - Capitalism
>>
>>o centrally planned - free market
>>
>>... and religion:
>>
>>o Universalism - Fundamentalism
>>
>>... and ethics:
>>
>>o Communism - Populism
>
> You don't seem to be at all puzzled, Chuck.
>
>>... so I think you could be a Jeffersonian Populist even though you'd
>>be a really rare bird.
>
> Heh.
>
>>... and did anyone actually watch _Rise and Fall of the City of
>>Mahagony_ on PBS?

With Diana Ross and Billy Dee Williams?


--
Rev. Thumper Rabbitt

Minister and Prophet,
Church of Rec.Motorcycles®.



>
> I didn't watch it nor do I recall seeing it promoted.
>
> --
> ========================================================================
> Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
> | two, one and one make one."
> mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain



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