Posted by MoParMaN on February 17, 2009, 10:39 pm
From another noosegroop, not motorcycle related.
I assume the dood making the final comment is from England.
>>> Meriden Motorcyle Cooperative.
>>> Prior to this there had been BSA, Norton, Villiers and Triumph
>>> - Google it up.
>>
>> Tony Benn merely approved and encouraged the mergers that the
>> motorcycle company management devised as their own best business plan
>> to keep the industry viable. The British motorcycle industry had lost
>> the plot all by itself decades ago.
>>
>> They really shouldn't have laughed so much when that silly little Jap
>> who had started out making small utility motorcycles by fitting
>> lawnmower engines to bicycles came over to the British TT races and
>> bought up one of each of their top models to study. He wanted to find
>> out how to make a good successful big motorcycle. How they all
>> laughed!
>>
>> He was called Soichiro Honda.
> What ever happened to him? :-))))
> I was looking at getting a bike (wife permitting :-) and though about
> the modern Enfield 350 however when I looked at the web site they said
> this a "blast from the past" etc but not designed for daily
> commuting.... It seems they copied it complete with design flaws and
> unreliability instead of better manufacturing so it was more reliable
> and not an oil field.
The insistance of the British motorcycle industry to retain the
vertically split crankcase, and cork gaskets and clutch facings, and
the arrogant position they had no need to change doomed them to the
industrial dumpster.
Nostalgia not withstanding, the introduction of the no leak,
"it-just-works" electic start Honda changed everything.
As far as World Championship and TT racing goes, the combination of
Honda & MV Augusta, Mike Hailwood, Giacomo Agostini, Jim Redman & John
Surtees pounded the final nails in the Norton/BSA/Triumph racing teams.
The 1960's changed motocycling forever.
I really enjoyed and had great fun with my 1965 305 Super Hawk, while
my cousin was always replacing burned cork clutch facings. He was never
able to stop the oil leaks in that Triumph. Having said that, I lusted
for a Norton Atlas.
The US motorcycle industry survives as HD due to 40 years of vertical
twin patriotic fervor & image, not tech excellence.
The recent resurgence of Triumph does seem to hold some promise for
some global diversity though.
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Posted by .p.jm on February 17, 2009, 10:47 pm
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:39:20 -0600, "MoParMaN"
>>> He was called Soichiro Honda.
>>
>> What ever happened to him? :-))))
Dunno - I never heard of anyone named 'Soichiro'.
>The 1960's changed motocycling forever.
Not to mention making the 1950's look like 'last decade's
stuff'.....
>The US motorcycle industry survives as HD due to 40 years of vertical
>twin patriotic fervor & image, not tech excellence.
Advertising playing off the fervor, and the image myths.
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Posted by MoParMaN on February 17, 2009, 10:53 pm
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:39:20 -0600, "MoParMaN"
>>>> He was called Soichiro Honda.
>>>
>>> What ever happened to him? :-))))
> Dunno - I never heard of anyone named 'Soichiro'.
>>The 1960's changed motocycling forever.
> Not to mention making the 1950's look like 'last decade's
> stuff'.....
>>The US motorcycle industry survives as HD due to 40 years of vertical
>>twin patriotic fervor & image, not tech excellence.
> Advertising playing off the fervor, and the image myths.
I don't get that part of it. That's why I figured he was from England. He
damn sure ain't from Texas.
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Posted by Bob Mann on February 18, 2009, 9:05 am
> I don't get that part of it. That's why I figured he was from
> England. He damn sure ain't from Texas.
>
He sounds English to me.
Most Texans don't have the same command of the language. (Hey - I said
most)
That said, Harleys are as technologically advanced as they need to be.
They find a way to provide the bikes their customers want at prices they
are willing to pay and continue to make steady improvements across the
model line up.
A successful company needs to address all facets of the business they are
in. Very few companies in any line of business do it anywhere nearly as
well as Harley Davidson.
Marketing, design, distribution, parts and accessory availability,
aftermarket support, general merchandise, clothing and yes, image.
They then support this with one of the most complete training systems I
have seen outside of a full on educational institution.
I recently spent 3 days in VCancouver in a course on parts and
merchandise management. It included stocking levels, systems, marketing,
reports etc.
It's just one of literally hundreds of courses they offer in every facet
of their business.
This is why H-D is a successful company.
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Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r.
Posted by Vito on February 18, 2009, 9:04 pm
> That said, Harleys are as technologically advanced as they need to be.
Absolutely. For example, Harleys have hydraulically self adjusting valves
that practically never need service.
Harley owners are accused of buying to posture or for patriotic reasons but
the fact is they are simply practical. Why buy complication for its own
sake?
If one wanted to be nasty, he might wonder what kind of an idiot would buy a
hyper-tuned stunt bike with 16+ valves that required regular adjustment, a
tedious task that involves hours of labor, all in a bike he intends to ride
to work and posture on, never ever to race.
>>> Prior to this there had been BSA, Norton, Villiers and Triumph
>>> - Google it up.
>>
>> Tony Benn merely approved and encouraged the mergers that the
>> motorcycle company management devised as their own best business plan
>> to keep the industry viable. The British motorcycle industry had lost
>> the plot all by itself decades ago.
>>
>> They really shouldn't have laughed so much when that silly little Jap
>> who had started out making small utility motorcycles by fitting
>> lawnmower engines to bicycles came over to the British TT races and
>> bought up one of each of their top models to study. He wanted to find
>> out how to make a good successful big motorcycle. How they all
>> laughed!
>>
>> He was called Soichiro Honda.
> What ever happened to him? :-))))
> I was looking at getting a bike (wife permitting :-) and though about
> the modern Enfield 350 however when I looked at the web site they said
> this a "blast from the past" etc but not designed for daily
> commuting.... It seems they copied it complete with design flaws and
> unreliability instead of better manufacturing so it was more reliable
> and not an oil field.