Posted by Bob Mann on March 16, 2010, 12:07 am
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:25:25 -0400, "Martin Walker"
> >> Is there a trick to pouring the new fluid into the case?
> >There's a nifty plastic funnel that snaps into the opening just for that
> >purpose. I'm pretty sure it's sold by HD. I don't have a link, but saw it
> >in a recent Cycle World magazine.
> And I bet I could purchase it from the HD dealer for only $29.95. <g>
Much less. You could get two for that including taxes.
Posted by don (Calgary) on March 16, 2010, 7:36 am
wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:25:25 -0400, "Martin Walker"
>>
>> >> Is there a trick to pouring the new fluid into the case?
>>
>> >There's a nifty plastic funnel that snaps into the opening just for that
>> >purpose. I'm pretty sure it's sold by HD. I don't have a link, but saw it
>> >in a recent Cycle World magazine.
>>
>> And I bet I could purchase it from the HD dealer for only $29.95. <g>
>Much less. You could get two for that including taxes.
Heh , heh, heh.
Posted by Bob Mann on March 16, 2010, 12:06 am
> > Is there a trick to pouring the new fluid into the case?
> There's a nifty plastic funnel that snaps into the opening just for that
> purpose. I'm pretty sure it's sold by HD. I don't have a link, but saw it
> in a recent Cycle World magazine.
This one:
http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84=
5524448774820&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302491575&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_=
id=2534374302491575&bmUID=1268712356523&bmLocale=en_CA
Posted by Road Glidin' Don on March 14, 2010, 10:44 pm
> I have been working my way through a very lengthy checklist of
> maintenance procedures on the Road King. On the agenda for today was
> a good cleaning and detailing along with changing the tranny and
> primary fluids.
> This was the first time I have changed the primary fluid and a couple
> of things struck me as odd.
> The first was after pulling the clutch inspection cover I found the
> clutch was not centered within the open port. The bottom of the
> pressure plate was very near the lower edge of the inspection cover
> opening. There was virtually no clearance at the bottom and maybe 15
> to 20mm at the top. Everything works fine but this struck me as
> unusual.
> The second thing I found odd was how difficult it is to get the fluid
> into the opening. Maybe difficult is not the right word. Since there
> was very little gap between the clutch and the primary chain cover
> there was no way I could just pour the fluid in. First I tried to use
> a turkey baster to squirt the fluid past the clutch but the fluid was
> too thick making the procedure to slow. So I fashioned a paper trough
> that I slipped between the case and the clutch and then poured the
> fluid into the trough. This worked OK but was still tedious and slow.
> Is there a trick to pouring the new fluid into the case and is it
> normal for the clutch not to be centered in the opening?
Hi Don. Good to see you enjoying yourself!
That's a nice page Mark posted, but It's not the way I do it. I just
take off the clutch inspection cover (as you did) and add the oil
through there (and the newer Harleys don't have that hole anymore
because they have automatic chain tension adjusters - which is what
that hole is really intended for).
If you don't have one in there already, get the solid disk gasket
instead of the rubber ring kind for the clutch inspection cover. You
can reuse the solid disk one forever; they work really well (made by
HD). The newer bikes come standard with them, I think.
If you have the torx type screws holding the inspection cover on, make
sure you use good quality (hard steel) bits of the correct size (T-27
IIRC). Better yet, get some allen head bolts and replace them. If
you torque those torx ones in too hard, they might not come out.
Torque down evenly as well (star pattern) because you don't want to
warp that cover.
To pour the new primary oil in, I use a funnel with a screw open close
valve at its base. The little nozzle tip fits nicely into the gap
between the primary and the clutch and, by twisting the valve open,
it's easy to control when the oil starts flowing. The funnel also has
measuring lines so I can set up the right quantity before pouring.
And the lid it has is nice to keep crap (and bugs) out between uses.
I have a picture of the funnel I use at the link below, along with the
skinny HD funnel Martin was referring to. The funnel I described is
the one I use for the primary, but I have begun finding the skinny HD
funnel useful for filling the tranny (got it on sale, so it wasn't too
expensive).
Here's a picture of the two funnels:
http://www.xidos.ca/portals/0/Miscellaneous/pics/P1010765.JPG
And, yep, the clutch isn't centered in the inspection hole. I think
it's basically a matter of HD wanting the outside shape of the primary
to be a certain way. Also wouldn't want the bulge to begin too low,
as it would interfere with ground clearance during leans.
Hope that helps some.
Posted by don (Calgary) on March 14, 2010, 11:20 pm
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:44:53 -0700 (PDT), "Road Glidin' Don"
>Hi Don. Good to see you enjoying yourself!
Did you read about my suspected busted rib? <g>
>That's a nice page Mark posted, but It's not the way I do it. I just
>take off the clutch inspection cover (as you did) and add the oil
>through there (and the newer Harleys don't have that hole anymore
>because they have automatic chain tension adjusters - which is what
>that hole is really intended for).
>If you don't have one in there already, get the solid disk gasket
>instead of the rubber ring kind for the clutch inspection cover. You
>can reuse the solid disk one forever; they work really well (made by
>HD). The newer bikes come standard with them, I think.
I used the solid disk gasket. I didn't know there was another kind or
that they could be reused. The old gasket was also a solid disk. You
are right. It showed no wear what so ever and could have easily been
reused.
>If you have the torx type screws holding the inspection cover on, make
>sure you use good quality (hard steel) bits of the correct size (T-27
>IIRC).
When I bought the RK I picked up some top quality torx bits.
Personally I hate the damn things and probably should swap them out
for allen head.
>Better yet, get some allen head bolts and replace them. If
>you torque those torx ones in too hard, they might not come out.
>Torque down evenly as well (star pattern) because you don't want to
>warp that cover.
I didn't have a 3/8 to 1/4 adaptor for the torque wrench so I just
snugged them to what felt like the right torque. I'll pick up an
adaptor tomorrow and torque them properly. Is there any benefit to
using anti seize on the threads?
The service manual was quite clear about the sequence to tighten the
bolts.
>To pour the new primary oil in, I use a funnel with a screw open close
>valve at its base. The little nozzle tip fits nicely into the gap
>between the primary and the clutch and, by twisting the valve open,
>it's easy to control when the oil starts flowing. The funnel also has
>measuring lines so I can set up the right quantity before pouring.
I just raided the kitchen for a larger measuring cup. I never use it
for cooking anyway. :-) That and the strategically placed folded sheet
of paper worked well.
>And the lid it has is nice to keep crap (and bugs) out between uses.
>I have a picture of the funnel I use at the link below, along with the
>skinny HD funnel Martin was referring to. The funnel I described is
>the one I use for the primary, but I have begun finding the skinny HD
>funnel useful for filling the tranny (got it on sale, so it wasn't too
>expensive).
>Here's a picture of the two funnels:
>http://www.xidos.ca/portals/0/Miscellaneous/pics/P1010765.JPG
I'll keep my eyes open for something similar.
>And, yep, the clutch isn't centered in the inspection hole.
At first glance, when I saw how off center it was, I thought I did
something seriously wrong.
>I think
>it's basically a matter of HD wanting the outside shape of the primary
>to be a certain way. Also wouldn't want the bulge to begin too low,
>as it would interfere with ground clearance during leans.
>Hope that helps some.
As always it sure does. Thanks.
> >> Is there a trick to pouring the new fluid into the case?
> >There's a nifty plastic funnel that snaps into the opening just for that
> >purpose. I'm pretty sure it's sold by HD. I don't have a link, but saw it
> >in a recent Cycle World magazine.
> And I bet I could purchase it from the HD dealer for only $29.95. <g>