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Re: Any other fans of SMALL cruisers? Cybercraig 04-23-2006
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Posted by Cybercraig on April 23, 2006, 12:50 am

High Plains Thumper Wrote:
> "Sergio Penta" wrote:
> Paladin wrote:
>
> "Safer" is relative. A 250 is not safer on the freeway
> than a larger and heavier bike -- the larger bike has a
> larger performance margin and the greater weight gives it
> greater stability against wind gusts.
>
> My understanding is that studies have shown that smaller
> bikes are involved in accidents more frequently but that
> the accidents which big bikes are involved in are, in
> general more serious. I suspect the bigger bikes' far
> greater torque is a main reason for this. Whattya think?
>
> IMHO: Larger bike has more potential for bone crushing
> injuries if it falls on part of you. Larger bikes travel
> cross-country more at higher speeds, accidents at higher
> speeds have a greater potential for fatality.
>
> I would base the size of bike on what my riding needs are,
> not on accident statistics. I like my 1987 Suzuki LS650
> Savage, because being at 352 lbs (160 kg) dry, it is light
> enough to be nimble and easy riding in traffic. However, as
> a 652 cc single cylinder, it has enough power and torque for
> traveling at highway speeds. It is more bike than a 250, but
> still manageable, which makes it a good beginner cycle also.
>
> --
> HPT


It's just about impossible to get enough luggage on a small bike for a
two week
trip. I like to travel in the 85-95mph range a lot too. My
Concours will do this
and still put me around 40mpg. Then there's the
adequate power for the mountains
question? How about the rain
protection? Small bikes just don't travel well.


--
Cybercraig

Posted by High Plains Thumper on April 23, 2006, 9:31 am
Cybercraig wrote:
> High Plains Thumper Wrote:
>> "Sergio Penta" wrote:
>>> Paladin wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Safer" is relative. A 250 is not safer on the freeway
>>>> than a larger and heavier bike -- the larger bike has a
>>>> larger performance margin and the greater weight gives
>>>> it greater stability against wind gusts.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that studies have shown that smaller
>>> bikes are involved in accidents more frequently but that
>>> the accidents which big bikes are involved in are, in
>>> general more serious. I suspect the bigger bikes' far
>>> greater torque is a main reason for this. Whattya think?
>>
>> IMHO: Larger bike has more potential for bone crushing
>> injuries if it falls on part of you. Larger bikes travel
>> cross-country more at higher speeds, accidents at higher
>> speeds have a greater potential for fatality.
>>
>> I would base the size of bike on what my riding needs are,
>> not on accident statistics. I like my 1987 Suzuki LS650
>> Savage, because being at 352 lbs (160 kg) dry, it is light
>> enough to be nimble and easy riding in traffic. However,
>> as a 652 cc single cylinder, it has enough power and
>> torque for traveling at highway speeds. It is more bike
>> than a 250, but still manageable, which makes it a good
>> beginner cycle also.
>
> It's just about impossible to get enough luggage on a small
> bike for a two week trip. I like to travel in the 85-95mph
> range a lot too. My Concours will do this and still put me
> around 40mpg. Then there's the adequate power for the
> mountains question? How about the rain protection? Small
> bikes just don't travel well.

If you read what I wrote, I stated, "I would base the size of
bike on what my riding needs are, not on accident
statistics."

Not everyone needs a big bike. Not everyone needs a medium
bike. If I want to head out somewhere, I can throw a 40 lb.
duffle bag over the pillion along with my saddle bags and hard
trunk I already have mounted. I don't expect to be away more
than for a week. It's got enough torque for mountain passes.
I've ridden in rain. All that plastic is not going to do any
good in inner city traffic during a torrential rain storm
(BTDT). Maier mini-sport windshield is enough to keep the
wind off the chest. Most of my riding is away from the
interstates.

In the future I plan to upgrade, may be even the Connie. I am
impressed with its features and cost, even though not all
agree. It may be a used one. For now, the Savage meets my
needs more than adequately.

--
HPT

Posted by Paladin on April 23, 2006, 12:04 pm
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:50:08 +0000, Cybercraig
....
>It's just about impossible to get enough luggage on a small bike for a
>two week trip.

Depends on what you require. I can pack for a month in a pair of
small saddlebags.

> I like to travel in the 85-95mph range a lot too....

That's fine if you are interested into getting to your destination. I
rather run 45-50 and see the countryside. While getting 80mpg.

>Then there's the adequate power for the mountains question?

Sure, as long as you don't insist on exceding the speed limits.

>How about the rain protection?

How does a big bike offer rain protection lacking in a smaller bike?
Not that protection is needed. If you're not a gotta get to some
destination as quick as possible type you simply pull over and wait it
out.

> Small bikes just don't travel well.

Depends on what the person requires. A minimalist does not require
what you require. That is why there are different motorcycles
available.

Posted by Turby on April 23, 2006, 4:52 pm
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:04:46 GMT, ls650@sbcglobal.net
(Paladin) wrote:

>>How about the rain protection?
>
>How does a big bike offer rain protection lacking in a smaller bike?

The Honda ST's are amazing in the rain. With that big fairing, you can
_almost_ stay dry.

--
Turby the Turbosurfer

Posted by David Steuber on April 23, 2006, 8:15 pm

> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:04:46 GMT, ls650@sbcglobal.net
> (Paladin) wrote:
>
> >>How about the rain protection?
> >
> >How does a big bike offer rain protection lacking in a smaller bike?
>
> The Honda ST's are amazing in the rain. With that big fairing, you can
> _almost_ stay dry.

How do you like the electrict windshield adjustment on those? It
seems pretty wild. Is it actually useful? The ST1300 looks like a
respectable touring bike to me.

--
http://www.david-steuber.com/
1998 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport
2006 Honda 599 Hornet (CB600F) x 2 Crash & Slider
It's OK. You only broke your leg in three places. Walk it off.

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