Posted by Jinks on September 18, 2007, 7:22 am
>Driver sought in hit and run
>By Kieran Nicholson
>Denver Post Staff Writer
>Article Launched: 09/17/2007 06:17:57 PM MDT
>Authorities suspect a woman driver of plowing into a motorcycle who was stopped
>at a red light, seriously injuring the bike's driver, before fleeing the scene.
>The hit-and-run happened just before 1 a.m. Sunday at the intersection of U.S.
>Highways 40 and 6 in Jefferson County, according to the Colorado State Patrol.
>A black 2005 Honda CBR motorcycle was stopped at a red light in the right lane
>of westbound Highway 40 when it was rear-ended by a white 2004 Chrysler
Sebring,
>the state patrol said in a press release.
>The motorcycle driver, Michelle Zoril, 21, of Golden, was thrown from the bike.
>Zoril, who was wearing a helmet, was taken to St. Anthony Central Hospital with
>serious injuries, the state patrol said.
>The driver of the Chrysler fled the scene and is still at large.
>The front license plate of the Chrysler - Colorado 465-NFA - fell off on impact
>and was recovered at the scene, the state patrol said.
>Witnesses described the Chrysler driver as a white or Latino woman with blonde
>hair, about 5-feet 5-inches tall and about 130 pounds.
>The crash remains under investigation.
>The state patrol asks anyone with information on the incident to call 303
>239-4501.
Since they have the license plate off the offending vehicle are they
waiting & expecting a call from DMV? They "should" have "information on the
incident"!
BTW, crossposting is almost as stupid as waiting for someone to call
with leads when you have the license plate in hand..........
-
Jinks ('86FXRS,'07 FLTR)
#64
Posted by Andrew on September 18, 2007, 1:54 pm
Loud pipes save lives. Loud pipes annoy people.
Can a loud pipe alert a cager that you are near? Yes it can. Can a loud
pipe annoy someone? Yes it can.
That being said, I totally disagree with the philosophy behind "loud pipes
save lives". When I ride, I take full responsibility for what goes on
around me. I know that the average cager is a self-absorbed moron, yapping
on their cell-phones, watching a DVD, hollering at the kids and whatnot.
They are doing everything but paying attention to what is going on around
them. It is up to me, if I want to stay as safe as possible on the road, to
be alert to all the possible dangers and to take action to avoid being
injured. It doesn't matter that I have the right of way - a motorcycle will
always lose an argument with a cage. The philosophy of 'loud pipes save
lives' by its very nature puts responsibility upon the cagers to take action
to avoid me. Thank you very much, but I am not willing to put trust in some
female SUV driver who is yapping on her cell phone and/or putting on makeup
while in heavy traffic. Do I want to bet my life that she heard me? No way
in hell! If you rely on your pipes to tell others that you are there and
that they need to do something, you are going to get hurt eventually.
My other objection about loud pipes is that while they *may* alert an
otherwise inattentive driver, they are also depriving you of a valuable
sense: your hearing. Humans take in 85% of their data visually, the other
15% is through hearing (smell, taste, and touch are not relevant in this
case). Do you want to rob yourself of 15% of your data input? You might
not see that cager, but you might be able to hear him!
The loud pipes argument puts responsibility for your safety onto others,
which I think is a foolish and dangerous thing to do.
My $0.02
Andrew.
Posted by J. Clarke on September 18, 2007, 3:02 pm
Andrew wrote:
> Loud pipes save lives. Loud pipes annoy people.
> Can a loud pipe alert a cager that you are near? Yes it can. Can a
> loud pipe annoy someone? Yes it can.
> That being said, I totally disagree with the philosophy behind "loud
> pipes save lives". When I ride, I take full responsibility for what
> goes on around me. I know that the average cager is a self-absorbed
> moron, yapping on their cell-phones, watching a DVD, hollering at
> the
> kids and whatnot. They are doing everything but paying attention to
> what is going on around them. It is up to me, if I want to stay as
> safe as possible on the road, to be alert to all the possible
> dangers
> and to take action to avoid being injured. It doesn't matter that I
> have the right of way - a motorcycle will always lose an argument
> with a cage. The philosophy of 'loud pipes save lives' by its very
> nature puts responsibility upon the cagers to take action to avoid
> me. Thank you very much, but I am not willing to put trust in some
> female SUV driver who is yapping on her cell phone and/or putting on
> makeup while in heavy traffic. Do I want to bet my life that she
> heard me? No way in hell! If you rely on your pipes to tell others
> that you are there and that they need to do something, you are
> going to get hurt eventually. My other objection about loud pipes is
> that while they *may* alert an otherwise inattentive driver, they
> are
> also depriving you of a valuable sense: your hearing. Humans take
> in 85% of their data visually, the other 15% is through hearing
> (smell, taste, and touch are not relevant in this case). Do you
> want
> to rob yourself of 15% of your data input? You might not see that
> cager, but you might be able to hear him!
> The loud pipes argument puts responsibility for your safety onto
> others, which I think is a foolish and dangerous thing to do.
I fail to see how giving others every assistance in _their_ job of
being responsible for their own safety somehow absolves you of being
responsible for your own.
> My $0.02
> Andrew.
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Posted by P. Roehling on September 18, 2007, 6:53 pm
>> The loud pipes argument puts responsibility for your safety onto
>> others, which I think is a foolish and dangerous thing to do.
> I fail to see how giving others every assistance in _their_ job of
> being responsible for their own safety somehow absolves you of being
> responsible for your own.
The number of things you fail to see is rapidly approaching the
astronomical.
Posted by J. Clarke on September 18, 2007, 9:16 pm
P. Roehling wrote:
>>> The loud pipes argument puts responsibility for your safety onto
>>> others, which I think is a foolish and dangerous thing to do.
>>
>> I fail to see how giving others every assistance in _their_ job of
>> being responsible for their own safety somehow absolves you of
>> being
>> responsible for your own.
> The number of things you fail to see is rapidly approaching the
> astronomical.
What I see is that you are not addressing the question.
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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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>By Kieran Nicholson
>Denver Post Staff Writer
>Article Launched: 09/17/2007 06:17:57 PM MDT
>Authorities suspect a woman driver of plowing into a motorcycle who was stopped
>at a red light, seriously injuring the bike's driver, before fleeing the scene.
>The hit-and-run happened just before 1 a.m. Sunday at the intersection of U.S.
>Highways 40 and 6 in Jefferson County, according to the Colorado State Patrol.
>A black 2005 Honda CBR motorcycle was stopped at a red light in the right lane
>of westbound Highway 40 when it was rear-ended by a white 2004 Chrysler