Re: Clutch fade

Posted by Bruce Richmond on May 12, 2008, 11:02 pm

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Sounds like the clutch needs adjustment. There is more to adjusting
the clutch than just the cable adjustment. It probably explains it in
your owners manual.

Bruce

Posted by . on May 13, 2008, 10:33 am

It would be nice if you'd say which motorcycle you're talking about in
your initial post on the subject of "clutch slippage".

If you're talking about the Honda with the noisy 4-into-1 exhaust
pipe, you might actually be referring to the flat spot which occurs
around 5000 RPM and ends around 7000 RPM.

That's caused by a bad interaction between the pressure waves
returning from the exhaust system and blowing air backwards through
one open intake valve during the valve overlap period.

When that happens, one cylinder doesn't get a fuel air mixture because
the air is going the wrong direction, and you get a flat spot in the
power band. The engine doesn't "pull" very well in the mid-range. Then
the engine comes "on the pipe" and pulls hard.

I can't tell if my GSXR750's clutch is slipping a little bit or not,
but the Yoshimura Competition Only exhaust certainly makes beautiful
music at around 10,000 RPM...

Real clutch slip is more noticeable in the higher gears than in 1st or
2nd, and the slip would tend to be less as the torque curve falls at
high RPM.

When I installed a Vance & Hines big bore kit in my GS1100, I
encountered actual clutch slippage, and one of my drag racing
acquaintances advised me that I needed the stronger V&H clutch
springs, so I installed them.

It turned out that my particular clutch design used short aluminum
spacers to preload the springs and the spacers were actually wearing
out and getting shorter during normal use, so the springs weren't
squeezing the clutch plates together as hard as they should have.

I replaced the worn out spacers. Most clutch designs don't have such
spacers, the bolts holding the springs thread directly into the hub.

I suppose it's possible to shim such clutch springs by adding a washer
under the head of each bolt.

Posted by The Older Gentleman on May 13, 2008, 6:43 pm

I suspect he knows the difference between a flat spot and a clutch
giving up....

Which is why he mentioned it did it in fourth and fifth gears. Next?

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Posted by Eigenvector on May 13, 2008, 8:09 pm

I deliberately leave out specifics, it forces people to answer the question
at face value rather than try to guess their way through the answer. Easier
to wade through the toss out answers and stick with those who really know.
If specifics are called for those who know will ask for them. Otherwise I
have to wade through a hundred red herrings about someone who knew some guy
who had a similar bike and had a related problem.

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