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Re: European Vacation (Long) Radbert Grimmig 09-23-2008
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Posted by Radbert Grimmig on September 23, 2008, 12:12 pm


saddlebag schrieb:

>our hotel after trying to communicate with German speaking bus and
>taxi drivers for an
>hour or so,

They just pretend because they are uneasy. Barely anybody passes the
German school system without a basic competence in English

What your pronunciation does to our place names, streets etc is quite
another matter... although German pronunciation is actually very easy
compared to English because everything is more or less pronounced
exactly the way it's written, no funny
bough/plough/borough/dough/rough business here, so as soon as you've
figured out the pronunciation of the individual letters and a few
special combinations, you're done.

The vowels go more or less like this:

a - like in car
e - like in celery
i - like in internet
o - like gthe first one in Otto
u - like in unbelievable

vowels with an 'h' behind them (and ie) are long (Very rarely, other
letters than i also get an elongation e, like the town of Soest.
Otherwise, adding an e behind an a, o or u is just another way of
turning it into an Umlaut, only without the funny little dots above
them).

Evil German Umlauts: ä like a in bank, ö like i in girl, ü like oo in
Scottish English ('boot') (that one's typically by far the most
difficult for other English variants' native speakers, an 'ee' will do
in a pinch.)

Diphthongs are eu or äu (oi), au (like in outch), ei (like in I).

Ch is sometimes close to the French j in jour (but with the tongue
farther back against the palate) and sometimes rolled verrry
Scottishly and there is no way to tell when which is which except
knowing it by heart. sch is always sh.

>gear dealer. And yes folks, this quaint little German village has
>such a dedicated store believe it or not:

The next chain franchise is usually not far away either, at least not
by American distance standards, seeing that all of Germany is only
about as "large" as Ohio, Pennsylvania and upstate NY combined. There
are basically three decent chains:

http://www.louis.de/
http://www.polo-motorrad.de/
http://www.hein-gericke.de/

>Anyway, day one turned out to be a cold, rainy ride though the
>mountains from Germany south to Bolzano
>Italy that left no one very excited.

What do you expect. In the Alps, you may even get snow in Mai.

There *is* some decent weather to be had in Germany - and there are
other very interesting areas beside Berlin and Neuschwanstein,
especially for motorcyclists - but the weather may turn on you at any
time, even in August, sadly.

Fortunately, there rarely is very much of it, again compared to some
US conditions of late.

>Fortunately, we had been given very thorough instructions as finding
>your way through Italian cities is
>no mean feat...even if you knew the language.

Get a satnav. It's a life saver.

And come back some time.

--

Gruß
Radbert

Posted by Vaughn on September 23, 2008, 9:08 pm


> saddlebag schrieb:
>
> >our hotel after trying to communicate with German speaking bus and
> >taxi drivers for an
> >hour or so,
>
> They just pretend because they are uneasy. Barely anybody passes the
> German school system without a basic competence in English
>
> What your pronunciation does to our place names, streets etc is quite
> another matter... although German pronunciation is actually very easy
> compared to English because everything is more or less pronounced
> exactly the way it's written, no funny
> bough/plough/borough/dough/rough business here, so as soon as you've
> figured out the pronunciation of the individual letters and a few
> special combinations, you're done.
>
> The vowels go more or less like this:
>
> a - like in car
> e - like in celery
> i - like in internet
> o - like gthe first one in Otto
> u - like in unbelievable
>
> vowels with an 'h' behind them (and ie) are long (Very rarely, other
> letters than i also get an elongation e, like the town of Soest.
> Otherwise, adding an e behind an a, o or u is just another way of
> turning it into an Umlaut, only without the funny little dots above
> them).
>
> Evil German Umlauts: =E4 like a in bank, =F6 like i in girl, =FC like oo =
in
> Scottish English ('boot') (that one's typically by far the most
> difficult for other English variants' native speakers, an 'ee' will do
> in a pinch.)
>
> Diphthongs are eu or =E4u (oi), au (like in outch), ei (like in I).
>
> Ch is sometimes close to the French j in jour (but with the tongue
> farther back against the palate) and sometimes rolled verrry
> Scottishly and there is no way to tell when which is which except
> knowing it by heart. sch is always sh.
>
> >gear dealer. =A0And yes folks, this quaint little German village has
> >such a dedicated store believe it or not:
>
> The next chain franchise is usually not far away either, at least not
> by American distance standards, seeing that all of Germany is only
> about as "large" as Ohio, Pennsylvania and upstate NY combined. There
> are basically three decent chains:
>
> http://www.louis.de/http://www.polo-motorrad.de/http://www.hein-gericke.d=
e/
>
> >Anyway, day one turned out to be a cold, rainy ride though the
> >mountains from Germany south to Bolzano
> >Italy that left no one very excited.
>
> What do you expect. In the Alps, you may even get snow in Mai.
>
> There *is* some decent weather to be had in Germany - and there are
> other very interesting areas beside Berlin and Neuschwanstein,
> especially for motorcyclists - but the weather may turn on you at any
> time, even in August, sadly. =A0
>
> Fortunately, there rarely is very much of it, again compared to some
> US conditions of late.
>
> >Fortunately, we had been given very thorough instructions as finding
> >your way through Italian cities is
> >no mean feat...even if you knew the language.
>
> Get a satnav. It's a life saver.
>
> And come back some time.
>
> --
>
> Gru=DF
> Radbert

Nice reply. I haven't had much education in German language, but
during my time there with my wife (who is mostly fluent and loved
teaching me how to correctly pronounce everything through the
autocomm) I was able to understand a lot of German after just 10 days
there. Immersion is the schnitzle. <grin>

+1 on the Satnav/GPS

And indeed, Bavaria is splendid riding. I rode the entire
Alpenstrasse from Saltzberg to Lake Constance, with some side trips
off of it, and it was really pleasant.

The roads south of Baden-Baden, and the baths themselves, were also
extraordinary!



Posted by Radbert Grimmig on September 29, 2008, 3:43 pm


Vaughn schrieb:

>autocomm) I was able to understand a lot of German after just 10 days
>there. Immersion is the schnitzle. <grin>

Soy en bolivia ahora <g>

>+1 on the Satnav/GPS

>The roads south of Baden-Baden, and the baths themselves, were also
>extraordinary!

It's called the Schwarzwald (Black Forrest, the one with the highly
fattening cake) and it's one of the definitive top 3 motorcycling
areas of Germany.

Then there is the Eifel, the area around the Nürburgring, although
many backroads are by far not as well maintained there, because in
contrast to Baden-Württemberg, it is in one of the poorest regions of
Germany.

--

Gruß
Radbert

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