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Posted by Scott on June 15, 2007, 10:47 pm
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:42:01 -0700, in rec.motorcycles, Blazing Laser wrote:
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>>On very hot days I just fill the bladder with ice and drink the water as it
>>melts.
>
>I would think on a long, hot ride the water would get hot and be very
>unpleasant.
Unpleasant, yes; unusable, no. I've lived in a desert/high plains climate
for a long time. Hard experience has taught me that hydration is crucial to
health and comfort. Warm water might not be real tasty to drink, but it's
still wet and it still works just fine.
I remember back when I was a kid, my parents had an ancient set of canvas
water bags. They held water, but were made to seep just enough to keep the
outside wet. Evaporation kept the bags quite a bit cooler than the
surrounding air.
We'd drive from SLC to LA to visit family, and hang those bags out on the
station wagon's front grille. I don't remember ever drinking from them.
Come to think of it, in a station wagon we should have had room for a big
chest full of ice and water jugs, but my dad always was a cheapskate.
Still, in the days of national 55 MPH speed limits, the relative desolation
of Nevada and the Mojava Desert, no cell phones, and all the automotive
reliability that 1960s Detroit had to offer (including 1960s auto aircon,
which only really worked worth a shit if it was under 70 degrees outside), I
guess it wasn't a bad bet to bring those bags along.
Well, anyway...this gets me to wondering about the relative merits of
motorcycling with a Camelback-type rig constructed of permeable canvas,
hanging out in the breeze and keeping itself cool as you ride.
-Scott
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'73 CB450K
'82 CB900F (x2)
'01 ZG1000 - For Sale!
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Posted by on June 16, 2007, 1:13 am
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:47:10 GMT, nobody@xmission.com (Scott) wrote:
>>I would think on a long, hot ride the water would get hot and be very
>>unpleasant.
>
>Unpleasant, yes; unusable, no. I've lived in a desert/high plains climate
>for a long time. Hard experience has taught me that hydration is crucial to
>health and comfort. Warm water might not be real tasty to drink, but it's
>still wet and it still works just fine.
Yes, true. But I don't cross deserts in Summer, my point was that
even just a regular 'warm day' can get you into trouble. Here in CA
it is often in the 80s or even 90s with very low humidity. It doesn't
even really seem that hot because it's so dry, but that's when you
lose more moisture than you realize.
>I remember back when I was a kid, my parents had an ancient set of canvas
>water bags. They held water, but were made to seep just enough to keep the
>outside wet. Evaporation kept the bags quite a bit cooler than the
>surrounding air.
Back in 1961 my family moved from Detroit to California. I lost about
half a year of school but once we got here I found those much -touted
California schools so far behind the school I had gone to in Detroit
that I hadn't lost much.
Anyway, we took the old Route 66. Starting in Texas, every place we
stopped had those canvas water bags for sale. I wanted to get one
(because everyone else had one!) I always wondered how well they
worked.
Very few cars had AC in those days, and they sold a cylindrical air
cooler that fit in your car window. I'm assuming it was an
evaporative cooler. Wished I had one of those too. 8^)
My parents had heard lots of horror stories about driving across the
desert. People getting stuck and drinking radiator water, stuff like
that. So once we got to Amarillo or so, we traveled only at night.
And after that, even though we went to Las Vegas almost every year for
a few days, we always travelled at night. Until one time my dad
called in to work and found he had to attend an important meeting so
we decided to chance it in the daytime. Mom was surprised at how
beautiful the desert was and kept telling dad to stop the car so she
could gather seed pods.
>Well, anyway...this gets me to wondering about the relative merits of
>motorcycling with a Camelback-type rig constructed of permeable canvas,
>hanging out in the breeze and keeping itself cool as you ride.
I wonder how well that would work! Also how much water you'd lose to
evaporation.
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Posted by Scott on June 16, 2007, 12:49 pm
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:13:47 -0700, in rec.motorcycles, Blazing Laser wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:47:10 GMT, nobody@xmission.com (Scott) wrote:
>
>Yes, true. But I don't cross deserts in Summer, my point was that
>even just a regular 'warm day' can get you into trouble. Here in CA
>it is often in the 80s or even 90s with very low humidity. It doesn't
>even really seem that hot because it's so dry, but that's when you
>lose more moisture than you realize.
QFT. Most people are chronically dehydrated anyway. They're so used to it
that they can't recognize when they're getting into dangerously-dehydrated
territory. They don't drink enough, and when they do drink, they drink
things that aren't all that good for you -- for ex, drinking a sugary cola
actually dehydrates you more than drinking nothing at all.
It's amazing how much better you feel overall when you're properly hydrated.
It's much easier to feel dehydration coming on, and do something about it
before it gets you into trouble.
>Very few cars had AC in those days, and they sold a cylindrical air
>cooler that fit in your car window. I'm assuming it was an
>evaporative cooler. Wished I had one of those too. 8^)
>
>My parents had heard lots of horror stories about driving across the
>desert. People getting stuck and drinking radiator water, stuff like
>that. So once we got to Amarillo or so, we traveled only at night.
>And after that, even though we went to Las Vegas almost every year for
>a few days, we always travelled at night.
Yep, we did that too. We had A/C, but it was one of those models that
wouldn't cool you down, but would double your fuel consumption and cause the
engine to overheat after about fifteen minutes.
How times change. Last time I went to Cali, we were driving across Nevada
and climbing the long hill to Baker in late June, middle of the day,
cruising at 80+ MPH and running the A/C full blast -- no problems at all,
although I *did* find myself keeping a real close eye on the temp gauge.
>>Well, anyway...this gets me to wondering about the relative merits of
>>motorcycling with a Camelback-type rig constructed of permeable canvas,
>>hanging out in the breeze and keeping itself cool as you ride.
>
>I wonder how well that would work! Also how much water you'd lose to
>evaporation.
At the risk of coining a phrase, if you're losing all that much water to
evaporation, you're not drinking it fast enough. :)
It's probably a moot point, anyway. Nobody seems to be making canvas water
bags anymore. It's just as well. I'm not sure I'd *want* to use one for
motorcycling. If water can get out, contaminants can get in...the things
were made for camping, not traveling.
-Scott
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'73 CB450K
'82 CB900F (x2)
'01 ZG1000 - For Sale!
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Posted by on June 17, 2007, 3:05 am
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:49:52 GMT, nobody@xmission.com (Scott) wrote:
>QFT. Most people are chronically dehydrated anyway. They're so used to it
>that they can't recognize when they're getting into dangerously-dehydrated
>territory. They don't drink enough, and when they do drink, they drink
>things that aren't all that good for you -- for ex, drinking a sugary cola
>actually dehydrates you more than drinking nothing at all.
>
>It's amazing how much better you feel overall when you're properly hydrated.
>It's much easier to feel dehydration coming on, and do something about it
>before it gets you into trouble.
Anyone who ever had a kidney stone would take this advice to heart!
8^<
>How times change. Last time I went to Cali, we were driving across Nevada
>and climbing the long hill to Baker in late June, middle of the day,
>cruising at 80+ MPH and running the A/C full blast -- no problems at all,
>although I *did* find myself keeping a real close eye on the temp gauge.
Yeah, I remember when car AC was considered so luxurious as to be
show-offy. It's amazing how it's changed driving in the Summer. Any
'luxury', once you get used to it, is no longer a luxury.
>At the risk of coining a phrase, if you're losing all that much water to
>evaporation, you're not drinking it fast enough. :)
>
>It's probably a moot point, anyway. Nobody seems to be making canvas water
>bags anymore. It's just as well. I'm not sure I'd *want* to use one for
>motorcycling. If water can get out, contaminants can get in...the things
>were made for camping, not traveling.
You always see pictures of them hanging on the front bumper of a car.
That's what they were designed for, I think. Now that you mention it,
they do look like the water might pick up dust and bugs.
Maybe someone could invent a modern version, not made of canvas but
some porous plastic or something, porous only in the outward
direction. It might come with mounting hardware that attaches it on
top of the front fender, or between the forks above the fender. Or
maybe hanging on the rider's back would work about as well.
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Posted by Stephen! on June 16, 2007, 4:00 pm
> Never tried it with a Camelbak, but a trick that works really well
> with the 32 oz Nalgene bottles is to fill them about 7/8 full and then
> freeze the whole bottle. If you then put it in an insulating sleeve
> http://www.outdoorresearch.com/home/style/home/storage/storage_insulat_
> organize/WPB it will stay ice cold all day.
I have a couple Camelback liners (2½ liters each) that I purchased at a
BMW rally. Got 'em for $2.50 each because the vendor didn't want to
bother carrying them back to the store and restocking them...
I'll fill them about half full of water and freeze them. When I'm
ready to go, I'll top 'em off with water and put them into a backpack
designed to carry a laptop computer. Lotsa insulation in the backpack
which keeps the water cold all day long. (No, I don't wear the backpack,
I strap it to the rear of the bike)
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