Re: IRAQ REPORTERS (Joke) - Page 11

 

Or like Christianity did/does?

Sorry, but while both religions have much to commend them, both have
been the cause for enormous bigotry and bloodshed.


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 On Dec 7, 12:35 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

Please feel free to suppose anything you want. By my logic,
your assertion that there's some inherent difference between
Christianity and Islam is not well supported.


So you're saying that some members of a religion may
be bloodthirsty homicidal maniacs and some others not ?

You figure Christians are unique in this ?

 On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:16:25 -0800 (PST), Rob Kleinschmidt


    Well, it's like asking someone to differentiate between two
different but similar psychiatric diseases - If you have delusoins of
THIS, you have Disease A, but if you have delusions of THAT, it's
disease B.

    But it you want INHERENT ( fundamental theological )
diferences, I rely upon my original point - the Koran teaches to KILL
unbelievers, the Bible teaches to PRAY for them.

    Now as has been pointed out, the implementation has often not
been true to the books, but you propose that that is a different
argument, so it gets a different answer.



    Of course.  implementatoin vs inherent dogma.


    Nope.  I do figure that A ) I don't much give a shit about who
did what 1,000 years ago, or 100 years ago ( I feel neither guilty nor
responsible nor ashamed for any such acts ), and B ) there's a big
difference between 'being able to find some exceptions to the rule in
any group ( IE KansasNutters etc ), few in number, vs 'a large and
growing movement'.  There is also a large difference between rude
disgraceful mean-spirited words and signs and yelling ( IE
KansasNutters ) vs hijacking planes full of people and running them
into buildings full of people, or cutting peoples heads off, or
blowing up marketplaces and school buses.

    You could also look at the level of tolerance 'Muslim
countries' have for other religions ( very often 'none', in fact very
often other religions are banned entirely by law, and / or also by
violent social practice ), vs the tolerance of 'Christian' countries
for Muslims ( typically wide-open acceptance and integration into
society, limited only by the willingness of the Muslims to
integrate ).

    That is both a fundamental and current issue, and an inherent
one in the two religions.  IOW, that is both 'scriptural difference /
fundmental dogma' ( inherent ) and practical ( as currently practised
) difference.

    Then there is the little matter of the treatment of women -
fully 50 % of our spsecies -  need I explain the differences
THERE between both the books, and the way they are implemented
today ?????


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 On Dec 7, 4:40 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

I agree completely that some of the dogma inherent in
Christianity says that Christians shouldn't do some of
the things which they have done in the name of Christianity.

I didn't know that I had even posed a question, let alone
shifted it.

If the dogma in a religion doesn't seem to compel it's
followers to behave in one particular way, how important
could this dogma be ?

My take on it is that words can likely any religious text
to justify almost any action at all if you ignore other
parts of the text and squint hard enough while reading.

At some given time in some given part of the world,  you
can find homicidal fanatics who will justify their actions
by some obscure hunk of religious text.

You tell me that Christians are currently less homicidal
than Muslims. Is this something to be proud of ? I rather
think not.

I guess this is based on a belief that people acquire virtue
by belonging to a group ? Sort of the basis of all religion
I guess, but still a little incomprehensible to me. I always
figure it has more to do with actions than subscriptions.

 

I fixed that for you.