Posted by M.Badger on April 30, 2011, 2:25 am
sean_q wrote:
> Further to my recent article "[help] Dirt bike won't start":
>
> For some reason known only to the Heathen Gods of Old Japan *
> the XL185 dirt bike fired up today. I can't think of anything
> I did differently than last time. Anyway it runs well, except for
> two glitches:
Such can be the vagaries of shyte old bikes.
>
> 1. A vent at the top of the crankcase spits drops of milky-white
> oily stuff. Emulsified crankcase oil I suppose.
Yup. May be worth checking dry then wet compression pressures. How is the
oil getting water in it?, one way -could- be excess ring blow-by. For each
gallon of fuel, you get very roughly a gallon of water produced.
Worth changing the oil out.
> At one time
> the vent was connected to an ugly looking contraption consisting of
> an air filter and some plastic plumbing gadgets and tubes...
> that went who knows where. Gotta find the shop manual on-line
> somewhere.
>
Pipe it to a catch tank or filter. Have a look at the air filter housing,
there may be a stub on there to pipe to. I'd still go with a catch
tank/filter though as it is roughly the equivalent of the engine breathing
its own farts.
> 2. There seems to be raw oil in the exhaust gas. Which isn't blue,
> so it's not burning the oil, and it's not black (too rich a mixture);
> it's more like a whitish fog. But a piece of string hanging across
> the tailpipe soon got saturated in oil.
That's bloody good fault finding.
> The area around the front
> of the upper cylinder (especially around the exhaust valve
> adjustment inspection cover) is also oily. My guess is that oil
> is leaking from the OHC area through the valve guides into
> the exhaust port. Looks like it needs some motor work, which I had
> hoped to avoid. Any expert opinions appreciated.
The leaky valve cover and oil in the pipe are probably not connected other
than both scream hardened seal/gasket. Neither are difficult or expensive to
fix.
Did these engines have an air bleed into the exhaust for some markets?
Posted by M.Badger on April 30, 2011, 5:05 am
sean_q wrote:
> On 4/29/2011 10:25 PM, M.Badger wrote:
>
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>>
>> That's bloody good fault finding.
>
> More fortuitous accident than good management.
:-)
>
>> Did these engines have an air bleed into the exhaust for some markets?
>
> Dunno. How does that work, when the exhaust is under pulsed pressure?
It isn't always under pressure. Reed valve connected to an air supply,
usually the air box. Once the exhaust valves has closed, that slug of
rapidly expanding and cooling gas creates a low pressure region behind it.
The idea is to draw fresh air in to help with emissions. As the pressure
rises again, the reed is closed. Not all engines are so equipped. Some are
equipped for certain markets and blanked for others.
That low pressure can pull oil past a hardened valve stem seal too. As the
oil hits the very hot exhaust, it creates a grey/white smoke that doesn't
dissipate as rapidly as water vapour. It also deposits as it condenses. As
you alluded initially, the smoke is not blue, so it isn't burning enough to
be noticeable. This points towards, albeit a little vaguely, the inlet being
pretty much OK, the rings being pretty much OK, but the exhaust stem seal or
guide or both allowing unburnt oil through. It is probably the only way for
the oil to do that. For three out of the four cycles of the engine, the
rings are more or less under pressure. The one cycle they're not is the
intake stroke, so if it was an oil ring issue, this would be where it may
show if the engine is burning oil.
For the compression rings, dry then wet compression testing, or 'does the
crank breather feel pressurised'
HTH
>
> SQ
Posted by gus on April 30, 2011, 2:56 pm
> Anyway mebbe I got a glimmer where to start investigating
> the problem.
Start by finding an unlocked dumpster.
Enlist the aid of a friend to help you throw your pile of Honda into
the dumpster.
Alternatively, remove any license plates and evidence of registration
and abandon it on the street and let the authorities haul it away.
>
> For some reason known only to the Heathen Gods of Old Japan *
> the XL185 dirt bike fired up today. I can't think of anything
> I did differently than last time. Anyway it runs well, except for
> two glitches: