Posted by .p.jm on December 21, 2006, 10:46 am
wrote:
>Spender wrote:
>> On 1 Sep 2006 14:18:42 -0700, bstevens@rock.com wrote:
>>
>> >Anyway, the problem with a pistol, of course, is that it's illegal just
>> >about everywhere, and if some HeeHaw Deputy Dawg finds it on you,
>> >you're in a really ugly mess. It's a huge risk to take, comforting as
>> >it may be. What are the odds of being stopped and searched if you're a
>> >lone biker, cruising through some remote area in your black leather on
>> >a hog?
>>
>(Snip a bunch)
>> What are the chances of being searched? Pretty high it seems. The 4th
>> amendment was effectively repealed years ago. Cops can now search you
>> merely for the purpose of "their own safety" regardless of the reason you
>> were stopped.
>Incorrect. They can 'pat you down' for their own safety, which is to
>feel the outside of your clothes and possessions for weapons. They
>can't go into a pocket or purse unless they feel something that could
>be a weapon. A safety pat-down is not a search.
An irrelevant distinction on this topic. Pat-down + find
something that feels like a gun = a search ( and handcuffs ) are about
to follow. Here in NC, even with a CCW, you must inform any LEO when
they approach, for any contact at all of any kind, "Officer, I have a
CCW permit and I am carrying a gun". This is before they even think
about whether or not a pat-down is needed. If they are approaching
you to say 'Sir, you dropped your wallet', it makes no difference -
ANY contact with ANY LEO, you MUST inform them of your CCW and weapon,
prior to being asked. You MUST volunteer it, you CAN NOT wait to be
asked. That is the law here in NC.
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Posted by news.supernet.com on December 21, 2006, 11:04 am
address.com wrote:
> National parks, for instance - no guns allowed.
Molly and I visited Glacier National Park a couple years ago. At one
point of entry were big, bold signs. One said "Beware of Bears!" and
right next to it was "No Firearms Allowed."
Call me an old coot, but there's something just so wrong about that.
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Posted by Tud on December 21, 2006, 11:07 am
news.supernet.com wrote:
> Call me an old coot,
You're an old coot.
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Posted by StT on December 21, 2006, 2:47 pm
Tud wrote:
> news.supernet.com wrote:
>
>> Call me an old coot,
>
> You're an old coot.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
(This reminds me of the joke about hikers in bear country wearing little
bells on their hiking boots)
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Posted by Spender on December 21, 2006, 11:24 am
>So ride a scooter and the cops won't search you. Nobody on a scooter
>could be considered dangerous.
Thank God. I usually have an H&K .40 S&W on me.
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>> On 1 Sep 2006 14:18:42 -0700, bstevens@rock.com wrote:
>>
>> >Anyway, the problem with a pistol, of course, is that it's illegal just
>> >about everywhere, and if some HeeHaw Deputy Dawg finds it on you,
>> >you're in a really ugly mess. It's a huge risk to take, comforting as
>> >it may be. What are the odds of being stopped and searched if you're a
>> >lone biker, cruising through some remote area in your black leather on
>> >a hog?
>>
>(Snip a bunch)
>> What are the chances of being searched? Pretty high it seems. The 4th
>> amendment was effectively repealed years ago. Cops can now search you
>> merely for the purpose of "their own safety" regardless of the reason you
>> were stopped.
>Incorrect. They can 'pat you down' for their own safety, which is to
>feel the outside of your clothes and possessions for weapons. They
>can't go into a pocket or purse unless they feel something that could
>be a weapon. A safety pat-down is not a search.