Posted by Bob Myers on March 27, 2009, 11:59 am
Jujitsu Lizard wrote:
> COMPLAINT #1: Machine comes loaded with tons of software that I just
> plain don't want. As the consumer, I'd like to choose. I don't want
> to have to uninstall.
I hear you, I agree with the sentiment, and I even work for one of those
PC companies. But you also have to consider another angle to this, and
that's why consumer products are typically somewhat less expensive
than equivalent commercial/business products: it's all that pre-loaded
software, trial versions or whatever, that the computer maker is being
paid to include. They're basically subsidizing part of the cost of your
product in the hopes of gaining revenue when you upgrade to the full
version. In short, it's the advertisting-supported-broadcast-TV model.
Bob M.
Posted by Anonymous on March 27, 2009, 1:15 pm
> Jujitsu Lizard wrote:
>> COMPLAINT #1: Machine comes loaded with tons of software that I just
>> plain don't want. As the consumer, I'd like to choose. I don't want
>> to have to uninstall.
> I hear you, I agree with the sentiment, and I even work for one of those
> PC companies. But you also have to consider another angle to this, and
> that's why consumer products are typically somewhat less expensive
> than equivalent commercial/business products: it's all that pre-loaded
> software, trial versions or whatever, that the computer maker is being
> paid to include. They're basically subsidizing part of the cost of your
> product in the hopes of gaining revenue when you upgrade to the full
> version. In short, it's the advertisting-supported-broadcast-TV model.
> Bob M.
So it's the software equivalent of junk mail.
Posted by Road Glidin' Don on March 27, 2009, 7:39 pm
> Jujitsu Lizard wrote:
> > COMPLAINT #1: Machine comes loaded with tons of software that I just
> > plain don't want. As the consumer, I'd like to choose. I don't want
> > to have to uninstall.
> I hear you, I agree with the sentiment, and I even work for one of those
> PC companies. But you also have to consider another angle to this, and
> that's why consumer products are typically somewhat less expensive
> than equivalent commercial/business products: it's all that pre-loaded
> software, trial versions or whatever, that the computer maker is being
> paid to include. They're basically subsidizing part of the cost of your
> product in the hopes of gaining revenue when you upgrade to the full
> version. In short, it's the advertisting-supported-broadcast-TV model.
If it reduces the price I pay, I've got no big complaint.
Posted by Road Glidin' Don on March 28, 2009, 11:41 am
> > Since you mentioned your dislike of Vista ...
> > Got an HP laptop last week (Sam's Club). Comes loaded with Vista 64-bit.
> > (Note the 64-bit: this will be significant later in the story.)
> My wife got me a Gateway last year for my birthday. Came with the ability to
> upgrade to 64 bit. I did it and didn't see anything that made it any easier
> for me (yet) so, I just re-installed 32 bit and all was well. I don't see
> why folks are telling you you can't go back to 32 unless it's the fact you
> _started_ with 64. Is that it?
> As an aside, I just picked up a pretty good machine, made by HP. It's one of
> their Elite series. Pretty good so far. It did come 64 bit though. I haven't
> played with it much yet so maybe I'll try to back it up to 32 bit and see
> what happens. I think I can use the Gateway disc and see. HP provided
> nothing like Gateway did. I have a couple of days to mess with it. Don't
> have to have it back in order till Monday. <crossing fingers> ;-)
I don't think you'll be able to use more than 4 Gb of your memory if
you down-grade to 32 bit, Mayner. I'd definitely stick with 64 unless
you have some specific reason you need 32.
Posted by .p.jm on March 28, 2009, 1:36 pm
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:41:50 -0700 (PDT), "Road Glidin' Don"
>>
>>
>> > Since you mentioned your dislike of Vista ...
>>
>> > Got an HP laptop last week (Sam's Club). Comes loaded with Vista 64-bit.
>> > (Note the 64-bit: this will be significant later in the story.)
>>
>> My wife got me a Gateway last year for my birthday. Came with the ability to
>> upgrade to 64 bit. I did it and didn't see anything that made it any easier
>> for me (yet) so, I just re-installed 32 bit and all was well. I don't see
>> why folks are telling you you can't go back to 32 unless it's the fact you
>> _started_ with 64. Is that it?
>>
>> As an aside, I just picked up a pretty good machine, made by HP. It's one of
>> their Elite series. Pretty good so far. It did come 64 bit though. I haven't
>> played with it much yet so maybe I'll try to back it up to 32 bit and see
>> what happens. I think I can use the Gateway disc and see. HP provided
>> nothing like Gateway did. I have a couple of days to mess with it. Don't
>> have to have it back in order till Monday. <crossing fingers> ;-)
>I don't think you'll be able to use more than 4 Gb of your memory if
>you down-grade to 32 bit, Mayner. I'd definitely stick with 64 unless
>you have some specific reason you need 32.
~ 3.2 GB, if I recall.
Of course, '64 bit' does nothing for you per se other than
allow greater memory adressing. Some people mistakenly think it 'adds
speed' - not unless it's a memory intensive application that benefits
from larger core space - AND if the compiler where the app was built
is DESIGNED to use that extra space granted by the OS and the
processor / motherboard. IOW - it's a complex symbiosis, and the
potential benefits are very situationaly specific.
The other differences ( as they may be ) are a result of the
OS and complier internals and how well they were executed - given the
same coding differences on that layer in 'another build of the 32 bit
version', the differences would be the same.
Some examples of 64 bit benefit would include multi-machine
virtualization ( ala VMWare, Hyper-V, etc ), OLAP cubes ( ala SQL /
Oracle / etc ), mulitple applications running, and so forth.
But given an app compiled as 32 bit, running by itself, there
is no inherent advantage to a 64 bit OS running under it.
The same idea applies to multi-core / multi proc machines as
well. It's not an 'automatic gimme'.
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> plain don't want. As the consumer, I'd like to choose. I don't want
> to have to uninstall.