Posted by oasysco on May 20, 2008, 4:46 am
Honda's schedule is 600 miles, which I might be at real quick, but
before I get there, I've heard of folks changing their oil early at
100mi (I'm past that) to get rid of metal bits that collect in the
first few miles.
Is there any truth to this for a new bike nowadays?
Greg
Posted by saddlebag on May 20, 2008, 6:51 am
oasysco wrote:
> Honda's schedule is 600 miles, which I might be at real quick, but
> before I get there, I've heard of folks changing their oil early at
> 100mi (I'm past that) to get rid of metal bits that collect in the
> first few miles.
>
> Is there any truth to this for a new bike nowadays?
Does anyone do this with a new car? Do new cars frequently seize up
when their owners don't change the oil after the first several thousand
miles?
Can you say tradition?
Posted by Mark Olson on May 20, 2008, 8:15 am
> oasysco wrote:
>
>> Honda's schedule is 600 miles, which I might be at real quick, but
>> before I get there, I've heard of folks changing their oil early at
>> 100mi (I'm past that) to get rid of metal bits that collect in the
>> first few miles.
>>
>> Is there any truth to this for a new bike nowadays?
If Honda thought it would be better for your engine's longevity to
change oil at 100 miles rather than 600, that's what they would
print in the manual. Do you have a mechanical engineering degree
with specializations in tribology, engine design, etc? If not, I
think you can trust that Honda's engineering staff is doing an OK
job of making sure your engine lasts a long time.
--
'07 FJR13AW '01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
OMF #7
Posted by David T. Ashley on May 20, 2008, 10:45 am
>> oasysco wrote:
>>
>>> Honda's schedule is 600 miles, which I might be at real quick, but
>>> before I get there, I've heard of folks changing their oil early at
>>> 100mi (I'm past that) to get rid of metal bits that collect in the
>>> first few miles.
>>>
>>> Is there any truth to this for a new bike nowadays?
> If Honda thought it would be better for your engine's longevity to
> change oil at 100 miles rather than 600, that's what they would
> print in the manual. Do you have a mechanical engineering degree
> with specializations in tribology, engine design, etc? If not, I
> think you can trust that Honda's engineering staff is doing an OK
> job of making sure your engine lasts a long time.
That line of discussion is interesting in general. I've found a lot of web
pages out there that contradict the manufacturer's advice. I ran across
than when determining how to break in my Suzuki Katana. One site in
particular was recommending doing outrageous things to the motorcycle to
seat the piston rings better.
It is possible that some advice is better than the manufacturer's
recommendations, and that the manufacturer had other reasons for making
recommendations (liability, probability that someone would screw up a more
complex procedure).
But generally, I'm with you. I have to believe that Honda's (or Suzuki's)
engineering staff knows one or two things about the engines they are
building. I tend to follow the manufacturer's procedures.
Of course, the OP could change the oil at _both_ 100 and 600 miles. That
seems harmless.
Dave.
Posted by Vito on May 21, 2008, 9:08 am
> Of course, the OP could change the oil at _both_ 100 and 600 miles. That
> seems harmless.
Not necessarily. BMW (for one) had problems with rings failing to seat
because the owner switched to slicker oil and/or rode to conservatively.
Back when mfgring tolerences were poor, engines had to 'wear in'. That of
course meant that the excess metal worn off to 'wear in' ended up in the oil
then the filter. Now, except for rings seating, that is no longer true.
I'm voting with the others who said "follow the makers' recommendetion' and
ride the SOB like you stole it.
BTW, unless you live in a dusty environment, you needn't change oil filters
every oil change after 20,000 miles or so.
> before I get there, I've heard of folks changing their oil early at
> 100mi (I'm past that) to get rid of metal bits that collect in the
> first few miles.
>
> Is there any truth to this for a new bike nowadays?