Posted by David T. Ashley on July 22, 2008, 12:06 am
Well, with all the talk of accidents, I thought I'd throw my two cents in
...
Part of sensible motorcycling is recognizing the limitations of car drivers
and not forcing errors.
For example, a motorcycle is less visible than a car, and the speed is
harder to judge. This automatically implies that a motorcyclist should
generally follow the speed limits. Exceeding the speed limits gives drivers
of cars less opportunity to spot a motorcycle.
Similarly, some motorcycles can accelerate very quickly. From a car
driver's perspective, the darned thing comes out of nowhere. It seems
sensible that motorcyclists should avoid accelerating rapidly when mixing
with cars.
I was going about 60 mph on a 55-mph two-laner the other day and a sportbike
came whizzing around me going at least 80, but probably faster. It was so
noisy it startled me through my earplugs. If that guy had crashed, I'd say
he brought it on himself.
And then there is weaving in and out of traffic and riding aggressively.
Some of the motocrazies bring it on themselves ...
But most don't ...
Posted by Bill Vanek on July 22, 2008, 12:42 am
wrote:
>Well, with all the talk of accidents, I thought I'd throw my two cents in
>...
>Part of sensible motorcycling is recognizing the limitations of car drivers
>and not forcing errors.
>For example, a motorcycle is less visible than a car, and the speed is
>harder to judge. This automatically implies that a motorcyclist should
>generally follow the speed limits. Exceeding the speed limits gives drivers
>of cars less opportunity to spot a motorcycle.
>Similarly, some motorcycles can accelerate very quickly. From a car
>driver's perspective, the darned thing comes out of nowhere. It seems
>sensible that motorcyclists should avoid accelerating rapidly when mixing
>with cars.
>I was going about 60 mph on a 55-mph two-laner the other day and a sportbike
>came whizzing around me going at least 80, but probably faster. It was so
>noisy it startled me through my earplugs. If that guy had crashed, I'd say
>he brought it on himself.
>And then there is weaving in and out of traffic and riding aggressively.
>Some of the motocrazies bring it on themselves ...
>But most don't ...
I'd be surprised if there's an answer to this, but I wonder who is
really more at risk - some crackpot asshole on a sport bike who has
superior bike handling skills, or a mediocre rider on a mediocre bike.
The lunatic is going to get into jams more often, but he knows how to
get out of them. The mediocre rider will do everything to avoid
problems, but when one pops up, he might not have a clue how to save
himself. I doubt the fatality rate is much different for the two.
Posted by Bob Nixon on July 22, 2008, 1:26 am
> wrote:
> >Well, with all the talk of accidents, I thought I'd throw my two cents in
> >...
> >Part of sensible motorcycling is recognizing the limitations of car drivers
> >and not forcing errors.
> >For example, a motorcycle is less visible than a car, and the speed is
> >harder to judge. This automatically implies that a motorcyclist should
> >generally follow the speed limits. Exceeding the speed limits gives drivers
> >of cars less opportunity to spot a motorcycle.
> >Similarly, some motorcycles can accelerate very quickly. From a car
> >driver's perspective, the darned thing comes out of nowhere. It seems
> >sensible that motorcyclists should avoid accelerating rapidly when mixing
> >with cars.
> >I was going about 60 mph on a 55-mph two-laner the other day and a sportbike
> >came whizzing around me going at least 80, but probably faster. It was so
> >noisy it startled me through my earplugs. If that guy had crashed, I'd say
> >he brought it on himself.
> >And then there is weaving in and out of traffic and riding aggressively.
> >Some of the motocrazies bring it on themselves ...
> >But most don't ...
> I'd be surprised if there's an answer to this, but I wonder who is
> really more at risk - some crackpot asshole on a sport bike who has
> superior bike handling skills, or a mediocre rider on a mediocre bike.
> The lunatic is going to get into jams more often, but he knows how to
> get out of them. The mediocre rider will do everything to avoid
> problems, but when one pops up, he might not have a clue how to save
> himself. I doubt the fatality rate is much different for the two.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Hear, Hear, Bill. Been riding fast on sportbikes (seldom in town,
mostly freeways & canyon or track) and The two accidents I've been in
were a deep red light runner late for work on a tree obscured corner
back in 77 and a deer that ran out of the bushes and try'd to kill
me, killing himself in the process and nearly doing me in too, During
both these accidents I was going ~30MPH so it wasn'r a matter of me
speeding but "maybe" my Karma catching up with me. I've also had a
couple of track accident with no injuries but that happens eventually
to all the regulars and particularly those who race.
Bob Nixon, One legged rider of sportbikes who still rides them fast
regularly at 63.
Posted by Classic Rider on August 10, 2008, 9:14 pm
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Bob Nixon
>Bob Nixon, One legged rider of sportbikes who still rides them fast
>regularly at 63.
Are you related to Gary Nixon?
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Classic Rider
www.2wheelclassics.com
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Posted by Bob Nixon on August 10, 2008, 11:49 pm
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Bob Nixon
> >Bob Nixon, One legged rider of sportbikes who still rides them fast
> >regularly at 63.
> Are you related to Gary Nixon?
> ========================
> Classic Riderwww.2wheelclassics.com
> ========================
Not that I'm aware of, Dick neither:)
>...
>Part of sensible motorcycling is recognizing the limitations of car drivers
>and not forcing errors.
>For example, a motorcycle is less visible than a car, and the speed is
>harder to judge. This automatically implies that a motorcyclist should
>generally follow the speed limits. Exceeding the speed limits gives drivers
>of cars less opportunity to spot a motorcycle.
>Similarly, some motorcycles can accelerate very quickly. From a car
>driver's perspective, the darned thing comes out of nowhere. It seems
>sensible that motorcyclists should avoid accelerating rapidly when mixing
>with cars.
>I was going about 60 mph on a 55-mph two-laner the other day and a sportbike
>came whizzing around me going at least 80, but probably faster. It was so
>noisy it startled me through my earplugs. If that guy had crashed, I'd say
>he brought it on himself.
>And then there is weaving in and out of traffic and riding aggressively.
>Some of the motocrazies bring it on themselves ...
>But most don't ...