Posted by Datesfat Chicks on July 3, 2010, 8:42 pm
Last time I got new plugs was my valve adjustment done by the dealership
about 2,500 miles ago. 2006 Honda Shadow 600, 27,000 miles.
Questions:
a)The shop manual says that for used plugs, they should be installed with 10
ft-lbs of torque (the procedure for new plugs calls for 1/2 turn after
hand-tight). When I was doing other maintenance, I decided (for no good
reason) to be sure the plugs were torqued to at least 10 ft-lbs. When I
tried all four plugs, one of them turned a little bit to get 10 ft-lbs, but
the other three did not turn.
I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that the dealership didn't
properly crush the washer on one of the new plugs when they installed it?
b)Do plugs ever work loose? How or why? If they do, what is the outcome?
Loss of compression? Damage to the cylinder head due to the hot gases
leaking so that one has to do a helicoil repair?
c)After I torqued one of the plugs to 10 ft-lbs, I had trouble getting one
of the plug wires back on and had to remove it once then press it firmly a
few times to be sure it was fully seated. I'm assuming that once the plugs
are in to 10 ft-lbs., monkeying with the plug wires by removing and
reattaching them won't work the plug loose? Does monkeying with the plug
wires ever loosen the plugs?
Thanks for your patience.
Datesfat
Posted by Beav on July 4, 2010, 11:59 am
> Last time I got new plugs was my valve adjustment done by the dealership
> about 2,500 miles ago. 2006 Honda Shadow 600, 27,000 miles.
> Questions:
> a)The shop manual says that for used plugs, they should be installed with
> 10 ft-lbs of torque (the procedure for new plugs calls for 1/2 turn after
> hand-tight). When I was doing other maintenance, I decided (for no good
> reason) to be sure the plugs were torqued to at least 10 ft-lbs. When I
> tried all four plugs, one of them turned a little bit to get 10 ft-lbs,
> but the other three did not turn.
> I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that the dealership didn't
> properly crush the washer on one of the new plugs when they installed it?
They all do that sir (Dealers, not doing the job properly)
> b)Do plugs ever work loose?
Yes.
> How or why?
Vibration and because they've not been properly tightened.
>If they do, what is the outcome?
They can rocket out of the hole with an almighty bang at worse, or simply
make a blowing noise as the gas escapes.
> Loss of compression? Damage to the cylinder head due to the hot gases
> leaking so that one has to do a helicoil repair?
Not usually needed (helicoiling).
> c)After I torqued one of the plugs to 10 ft-lbs, I had trouble getting one
> of the plug wires back on and had to remove it once then press it firmly a
> few times to be sure it was fully seated. I'm assuming that once the
> plugs are in to 10 ft-lbs., monkeying with the plug wires by removing and
> reattaching them won't work the plug loose?
Nope.
> Does monkeying with the plug wires ever loosen the plugs?
Not in my experience.
> Thanks for your patience.
Better that than patient.
Btw, it never hurts to put a modicum of anti-seize compound on new plug
threads.
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Beav
Posted by tomorrow@erols.com on July 4, 2010, 12:01 pm
wrote:
> Last time I got new plugs was my valve adjustment done by the dealership
> about 2,500 miles ago. 2006 Honda Shadow 600, 27,000 miles.
> Questions:
> a)The shop manual says that for used plugs, they should be installed with 10
> ft-lbs of torque (the procedure for new plugs calls for 1/2 turn after
> hand-tight). When I was doing other maintenance, I decided (for no good
> reason) to be sure the plugs were torqued to at least 10 ft-lbs. When I
> tried all four plugs, one of them turned a little bit to get 10 ft-lbs, but
> the other three did not turn.
> I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that the dealership didn't
> properly crush the washer on one of the new plugs when they installed it?
> b)Do plugs ever work loose? How or why? If they do, what is the outcome?
> Loss of compression? Damage to the cylinder head due to the hot gases
> leaking so that one has to do a helicoil repair?
> c)After I torqued one of the plugs to 10 ft-lbs, I had trouble getting one
> of the plug wires back on and had to remove it once then press it firmly a
> few times to be sure it was fully seated. I'm assuming that once the plugs
> are in to 10 ft-lbs., monkeying with the plug wires by removing and
> reattaching them won't work the plug loose? Does monkeying with the plug
> wires ever loosen the plugs?
> Thanks for your patience.
> Datesfat
I've only been riding 32 years; I haven't had the time nor the
expertise nor enough motorcycles to get to this level of detail wrt
spark plugs.
I'll defer to someone closer to your level of motorcycling immersion
to answer your questions.
Posted by The Older Gentleman on July 4, 2010, 12:13 pm
> wrote:
> > Last time I got new plugs was my valve adjustment done by the dealership
> > about 2,500 miles ago. 2006 Honda Shadow 600, 27,000 miles.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > a)The shop manual says that for used plugs, they should be installed with 10
> > ft-lbs of torque (the procedure for new plugs calls for 1/2 turn after
> > hand-tight). When I was doing other maintenance, I decided (for no good
> > reason) to be sure the plugs were torqued to at least 10 ft-lbs. When I
> > tried all four plugs, one of them turned a little bit to get 10 ft-lbs, but
> > the other three did not turn.
> >
> > I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that the dealership didn't
> > properly crush the washer on one of the new plugs when they installed it?
> >
> > b)Do plugs ever work loose? How or why? If they do, what is the outcome?
> > Loss of compression? Damage to the cylinder head due to the hot gases
> > leaking so that one has to do a helicoil repair?
> >
> > c)After I torqued one of the plugs to 10 ft-lbs, I had trouble getting one
> > of the plug wires back on and had to remove it once then press it firmly a
> > few times to be sure it was fully seated. I'm assuming that once the plugs
> > are in to 10 ft-lbs., monkeying with the plug wires by removing and
> > reattaching them won't work the plug loose? Does monkeying with the plug
> > wires ever loosen the plugs?
> >
> > Thanks for your patience.
> >
> > Datesfat
>
> I've only been riding 32 years; I haven't had the time nor the
> expertise nor enough motorcycles to get to this level of detail wrt
> spark plugs.
>
> I'll defer to someone closer to your level of motorcycling immersion
> to answer your questions.
That's Beav, that is :-))
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Posted by don (Calgary) on July 4, 2010, 2:05 pm
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 20:42:52 -0400, "Datesfat Chicks"
>ugs when they installed it?
>b)Do plugs ever work loose? How or why? If they do, what is the outcome?
Well the worst-case scenario might be the plug working its way loose,
the compression from the cylinder fires it out of the hole, driving it
like a rocket into the gas tank, just as the plug fires for the next
stroke, igniting the gasoline and lighting the motorcycle up in a
massive explosion.
See what happens when you think about shit too much!
> about 2,500 miles ago. 2006 Honda Shadow 600, 27,000 miles.
> Questions:
> a)The shop manual says that for used plugs, they should be installed with
> 10 ft-lbs of torque (the procedure for new plugs calls for 1/2 turn after
> hand-tight). When I was doing other maintenance, I decided (for no good
> reason) to be sure the plugs were torqued to at least 10 ft-lbs. When I
> tried all four plugs, one of them turned a little bit to get 10 ft-lbs,
> but the other three did not turn.
> I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that the dealership didn't
> properly crush the washer on one of the new plugs when they installed it?