Posted by Thumper on June 14, 2006, 11:48 pm
>>
>> >
>> >> Or a car even.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/13/beach.death.ap/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thumper
>> >>
>> >
>> >Note that the murderers are on paid vacation until such point that they
> will
>> >not be charged with anything. Really, I'm not kidding. Read the
>> >rticle. -Dave
>> >
>>
>> You throw that word 'murderer' around pretty lightly there,
>> camper.
>>
>> There was no 'murder', there was a DEATH. Very different
>> things.
>>
>>
> You could also call it a homicide accurately enough. It has not yet been
> determined what type of homicide.
> As near as I can tell from the article the worst the officers could be
> charged with is negligent manslaughter. Realistically its more likely
> that
> they will get a minor reprimand for driving into an area where they had
> limited visibility without looking first. About the same as rolling a
> stop
> sign.
> The department of course will want to find no negligence or wrong doing at
> all for financial reasons.
> --
> Bob La Londe
> www.YumaBassMan.com
Let's see if there's an out cry from the community.
If it was you or I , running over a transient laying in the street, and
then leaving the scene of the accident. Whether we knew it or not, it would
be felony hit and run with a manslaughter charge to boot.
Thumper
>
Posted by P.Roehling on June 15, 2006, 3:10 am
> If it was you or I , running over a transient laying in the street, and
> then leaving the scene of the accident. Whether we knew it or not, it
> would be felony hit and run with a manslaughter charge to boot.
Nope. If you were unaware that you'd been in an accident, hit-and-run does
not apply.
Actual example: Several years ago my mother was making a right turn at an
unsignaled intersection when a skateboarder entered the intersection from
the right hand side and hit her car in the rear quarter panel and bumper,
bouncing off and breaking his leg in the process. My mom had no idea that
there had been an accident, and proceeded on her way until a witness caught
up with her car about a mile away and informed her of what had happened. She
thereupon returned to the scene of the accident, arriving at the same time
the police and an ambulance got there, and gave her statement to the officer
along with the other witnesses.
The witnesses stated that my mother had given no visible sign that she'd
ever seen the kid (who'd been alongside and behind her) or that she'd known
that an accident had taken place, and that was that: no charges were ever
even contemplated, much less filed.
Pete
Posted by Ted Mittelstaedt on June 15, 2006, 5:36 am
> > If it was you or I , running over a transient laying in the street, and
> > then leaving the scene of the accident. Whether we knew it or not, it
> > would be felony hit and run with a manslaughter charge to boot.
> Nope. If you were unaware that you'd been in an accident, hit-and-run does
> not apply.
> Actual example: Several years ago my mother was making a right turn at an
> unsignaled intersection when a skateboarder entered the intersection from
> the right hand side and hit her car in the rear quarter panel and bumper,
> bouncing off and breaking his leg in the process. My mom had no idea that
> there had been an accident, and proceeded on her way until a witness
caught
> up with her car about a mile away and informed her of what had happened.
She
> thereupon returned to the scene of the accident, arriving at the same time
> the police and an ambulance got there, and gave her statement to the
officer
> along with the other witnesses.
> The witnesses stated that my mother had given no visible sign that she'd
> ever seen the kid (who'd been alongside and behind her) or that she'd
known
> that an accident had taken place, and that was that: no charges were ever
> even contemplated, much less filed.
Your mother returned to the accident scene, which would make it pretty
well damn near impossible to convict her in a jury trial. Not that I am
doubting
the facts of the incident, but I would bet if it had been your father, and
nobody
had caught up with him and he hadn't returned to the accident scene, he
would
have been charged with hit and run.
Ted
Posted by Thumper on June 15, 2006, 11:12 am
>>
>>
>> > If it was you or I , running over a transient laying in the street, and
>> > then leaving the scene of the accident. Whether we knew it or not, it
>> > would be felony hit and run with a manslaughter charge to boot.
>>
>> Nope. If you were unaware that you'd been in an accident, hit-and-run
>> does
>> not apply.
>>
>> Actual example: Several years ago my mother was making a right turn at an
>> unsignaled intersection when a skateboarder entered the intersection from
>> the right hand side and hit her car in the rear quarter panel and bumper,
>> bouncing off and breaking his leg in the process. My mom had no idea that
>> there had been an accident, and proceeded on her way until a witness
> caught
>> up with her car about a mile away and informed her of what had happened.
> She
>> thereupon returned to the scene of the accident, arriving at the same
>> time
>> the police and an ambulance got there, and gave her statement to the
> officer
>> along with the other witnesses.
>>
>> The witnesses stated that my mother had given no visible sign that she'd
>> ever seen the kid (who'd been alongside and behind her) or that she'd
> known
>> that an accident had taken place, and that was that: no charges were ever
>> even contemplated, much less filed.
>>
> Your mother returned to the accident scene, which would make it pretty
> well damn near impossible to convict her in a jury trial. Not that I am
> doubting
> the facts of the incident, but I would bet if it had been your father, and
> nobody
> had caught up with him and he hadn't returned to the accident scene, he
> would
> have been charged with hit and run.
> Ted
Plus, she didn't run over the kid's head with her front wheel.
Thumper
Posted by Mike T. on June 14, 2006, 3:21 pm
>>Note that the murderers are on paid vacation until such point that they
>>will
>>not be charged with anything. Really, I'm not kidding. Read the
>>article. -Dave
>>
> You throw that word 'murderer' around pretty lightly there,
> camper.
> There was no 'murder', there was a DEATH. Very different
> things.
I only throw the word murderer around as lightly as the police would have,
if a civilian had been driving the same SUV in the same incident. -Dave
>> >
>> >> Or a car even.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/13/beach.death.ap/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thumper
>> >>
>> >
>> >Note that the murderers are on paid vacation until such point that they
> will
>> >not be charged with anything. Really, I'm not kidding. Read the
>> >rticle. -Dave
>> >
>>
>> You throw that word 'murderer' around pretty lightly there,
>> camper.
>>
>> There was no 'murder', there was a DEATH. Very different
>> things.
>>
>>
> You could also call it a homicide accurately enough. It has not yet been
> determined what type of homicide.
> As near as I can tell from the article the worst the officers could be
> charged with is negligent manslaughter. Realistically its more likely
> that
> they will get a minor reprimand for driving into an area where they had
> limited visibility without looking first. About the same as rolling a
> stop
> sign.
> The department of course will want to find no negligence or wrong doing at
> all for financial reasons.
> --
> Bob La Londe
> www.YumaBassMan.com