hey all,
i'd like to beam for a second as it's finally happened - my brother is
getting back into riding
he's got his heart set on a sv650 and i can't blame him
we've been trolling the interweb and he's been to a few dealer$
below is what we think the best bet for him is, and i'd love to hear
the most harsh arguments and the most truthful praise for the
potential purchase
and what questions would you ask the owner? how would you figure out
if it was too good to be true? we're gonna head up to westchester to
see it on sunday
(he doesn't really care about the color, and he wants one as new as
possible but the $4k with 1013 miles beats a $5.5k with 0 miles for
him)
BELOW THE LINK is a few emails i traded back and forth with the guy -
he's selling it for a "client" and that's a little weird ... and he's
deadset against a test ride, which also makes me ...unsettled ^_^
anyway,
thanks in advance!
http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/mcy/591525625.html
the emails:
*************
mine to him
*************
hey,
<chit chat>
just a few questions:
if it has scuffs on the tank and tail, it was dropped?
if dropped, at what speed? scuffs look small in the pic, was it a
parking accident or something?
what was the date / mileage at the time of the drop, approximately?
do you have service records?
are you the original owner?
i appreciate your time and will take your #, if you don't mind, to
pass along to my brother
thanks,
chris
****************
him to me in response
****************
Hi Chris,
My name is Ross. I am helping a friend sell the bike.
He is an older gentleman, actually a patient of mine (I am a
chiropractor).
He has a very bad back, and has had back surgery in the past.
He has been selling his toys one by one because they cause him agony.
We recently just sold his cherry '07 GSXR600, rare FXR Harley, and a
Ford Cobra classic musclecar.
He purchased this SV650 new, to use for learning to ride on the track.
He rode it a handful of times, mostly at the "STAR riding school" by
Jason Pridmore in Loudon, NH.
He did NOT race. He just rode the track for fun. (I do the same
thing often. I don't ride on the street.)
He is an older guy, I'd say 60-ish. He didn't ride hard like a
lunatic, he rode at an easy pace for fun.
The scuffs are from a lowside crash from using too much front brake.
This was 2 years ago.
This was going into turn 6 ("the bowl") which is a 2nd-gear left-
hander that is banked and goes uphill.
He was going 40-50 mph. He and the bike slid about 30 feet or so, and
that was it.
No drama. No flipping. No trees. No walls. No twisted frames.
The bike is in excellent shape aside from the scuffs.
It is in better shape than most road-ridden bikes you'll see.
This bike was trailered to the track, started, ridden, trailered home,
then parked in the garage.
It was not ridden like a streetbike in stop-and-go traffic, hitting
potholes, exposed to the elements, etc.
He never registered the bike.
The bike will be sold with a bill of sale, and the buyer will be given
the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (aka MCO).
The buyer of this bike will be the first person to possess a title and
registration for the bike.
Call any dealer, and they will tell you that this is legit.
Better yet- look at the NY DMV's website, they'll have a full
explanation.
He just never bothered to title/register/insure it because it would
have been a waste of money for a track-only bike.
This situation occurs frequently with motocross bikes.
Since the bike is not street legal, your brother cannot take the bike
for a spin.
I will be blunt with you: my friend is not into having his time
wasted, and really isn't cool with
people coming to kick tires.
Two people already did this. They were younger guys that really don't
know what they want,
or what they are doing.
I can't stress enough to you how this bike is a cherry. Just look at
the photos.
You ask about service: The bike had its oil changed a couple of times
I'm sure... but seriously,, it only has like 1,000 or so miles, so any
service history won't be all that extensive.
He got the bike from Hudson Valley MC in Ossining, NY.
They performed all modifications & service.
Call them and ask them if you want any details.
The seller will not accept anything but cash. Sorry- no teller's
checks.
If you are seriously interested, you will get $4,000 cash and your own
van or pickup truck ready, you will email me what day and time is good
for you, and at that time I will call my friend to make an
appointment.
If you can't make the above commitment, don't bother replying.
I'm sure you understand.
Take care,
******************
so am i paranoid?
he does make some weird points, right?
here's my email back:
*********************************
Ross,
thanks for your reply
sorry to hear the owner's things of joy turned sour with his condition
i appreciate all the detail you put into your response
i further understand how little you or your friend care to have your
time wasted
it will not be an issue for us to meet you with cash, but i'll have to
talk to my brother about the test ride situation
it may be possible to work something out - perhaps a conditional sale
whereupon after 15 minutes of riding (illegally, but without exposing
you or your friend to any liability - just to make sure the bike runs
as you say) the sale is finalized ... that's just a suggestion, we can
talk about this further
please simply realize that as we're trying to make a deal at arm's
length, there will have to be some assurance that the bike is as it
has been advertised, and a short but thorough inspection would include
the basic performance of the engine
regardless, i'm certain we can set up a time (let me talk to my
brother) where we can meet, and when meeting, he will be fully
prepared to purchase the bike should he find it meets the quality you
have represented (he is looking specifically for an sv650 [or an
sv1000; buying the first good deal he sees])
you're right, it looks like a very nice bike
**********************
and then he wrote back saying if necessary, my brother could sit
pillon while he or the client rode ... i really think, at this point,
i'm being a little paranoid (and he is too, but about having his time
wasted), but i'd just like to wring out any advantage possible from
you all
-c
> hey all,
> i'd like to beam for a second as it's finally happened - my brother is
> getting back into riding
> he's got his heart set on a sv650 and i can't blame him
> we've been trolling the interweb and he's been to a few dealer$
> below is what we think the best bet for him is, and i'd love to hear
> the most harsh arguments and the most truthful praise for the
> potential purchase
> and what questions would you ask the owner? how would you figure out
> if it was too good to be true? we're gonna head up to westchester to
> see it on sunday
> (he doesn't really care about the color, and he wants one as new as
> possible but the $4k with 1013 miles beats a $5.5k with 0 miles for
> him)
> BELOW THE LINK is a few emails i traded back and forth with the guy -
> he's selling it for a "client" and that's a little weird ... and he's
> deadset against a test ride, which also makes me ...unsettled ^_^
> anyway,
> thanks in advance!
> http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/mcy/591525625.html
> the emails:
> *************
> mine to him
> *************
> hey,
> <chit chat>
> just a few questions:
> if it has scuffs on the tank and tail, it was dropped?
> if dropped, at what speed? scuffs look small in the pic, was it a
> parking accident or something?
> what was the date / mileage at the time of the drop, approximately?
> do you have service records?
> are you the original owner?
> i appreciate your time and will take your #, if you don't mind, to
> pass along to my brother
> thanks,
> chris
> ****************
> him to me in response
> ****************
> Hi Chris,
> My name is Ross. I am helping a friend sell the bike.
> He is an older gentleman, actually a patient of mine (I am a
> chiropractor).
> He has a very bad back, and has had back surgery in the past.
> He has been selling his toys one by one because they cause him agony.
> We recently just sold his cherry '07 GSXR600, rare FXR Harley, and a
> Ford Cobra classic musclecar.
> He purchased this SV650 new, to use for learning to ride on the track.
> He rode it a handful of times, mostly at the "STAR riding school" by
> Jason Pridmore in Loudon, NH.
> He did NOT race. He just rode the track for fun. (I do the same
> thing often. I don't ride on the street.)
> He is an older guy, I'd say 60-ish. He didn't ride hard like a
> lunatic, he rode at an easy pace for fun.
> The scuffs are from a lowside crash from using too much front brake.
> This was 2 years ago.
> This was going into turn 6 ("the bowl") which is a 2nd-gear left-
> hander that is banked and goes uphill.
> He was going 40-50 mph. He and the bike slid about 30 feet or so, and
> that was it.
> No drama. No flipping. No trees. No walls. No twisted frames.
> The bike is in excellent shape aside from the scuffs.
> It is in better shape than most road-ridden bikes you'll see.
> This bike was trailered to the track, started, ridden, trailered home,
> then parked in the garage.
> It was not ridden like a streetbike in stop-and-go traffic, hitting
> potholes, exposed to the elements, etc.
> He never registered the bike.
> The bike will be sold with a bill of sale, and the buyer will be given
> the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (aka MCO).
> The buyer of this bike will be the first person to possess a title and
> registration for the bike.
> Call any dealer, and they will tell you that this is legit.
> Better yet- look at the NY DMV's website, they'll have a full
> explanation.
> He just never bothered to title/register/insure it because it would
> have been a waste of money for a track-only bike.
> This situation occurs frequently with motocross bikes.
> Since the bike is not street legal, your brother cannot take the bike
> for a spin.
> I will be blunt with you: my friend is not into having his time
> wasted, and really isn't cool with
> people coming to kick tires.
> Two people already did this. They were younger guys that really don't
> know what they want,
> or what they are doing.
> I can't stress enough to you how this bike is a cherry. Just look at
> the photos.
> You ask about service: The bike had its oil changed a couple of times
> I'm sure... but seriously,, it only has like 1,000 or so miles, so any
> service history won't be all that extensive.
> He got the bike from Hudson Valley MC in Ossining, NY.
> They performed all modifications & service.
> Call them and ask them if you want any details.
> The seller will not accept anything but cash. Sorry- no teller's
> checks.
> If you are seriously interested, you will get $4,000 cash and your own
> van or pickup truck ready, you will email me what day and time is good
> for you, and at that time I will call my friend to make an
> appointment.
> If you can't make the above commitment, don't bother replying.
> I'm sure you understand.
> Take care,
> ******************
> so am i paranoid?
> he does make some weird points, right?
> here's my email back:
> *********************************
> Ross,
> thanks for your reply
> sorry to hear the owner's things of joy turned sour with his condition
> i appreciate all the detail you put into your response
> i further understand how little you or your friend care to have your
> time wasted
> it will not be an issue for us to meet you with cash, but i'll have to
> talk to my brother about the test ride situation
> it may be possible to work something out - perhaps a conditional sale
> whereupon after 15 minutes of riding (illegally, but without exposing
> you or your friend to any liability - just to make sure the bike runs
> as you say) the sale is finalized ... that's just a suggestion, we can
> talk about this further
> please simply realize that as we're trying to make a deal at arm's
> length, there will have to be some assurance that the bike is as it
> has been advertised, and a short but thorough inspection would include
> the basic performance of the engine
> regardless, i'm certain we can set up a time (let me talk to my
> brother) where we can meet, and when meeting, he will be fully
> prepared to purchase the bike should he find it meets the quality you
> have represented (he is looking specifically for an sv650 [or an
> sv1000; buying the first good deal he sees])
> you're right, it looks like a very nice bike
> **********************
> and then he wrote back saying if necessary, my brother could sit
> pillon while he or the client rode ... i really think, at this point,
> i'm being a little paranoid (and he is too, but about having his time
> wasted), but i'd just like to wring out any advantage possible from
> you all
> -c
ah, sorry, i neglected to ask you all about the aftermarket stuff ...
how that factors into the price
i pinged the exhaust at about $500
the clip-on handlebars at $100
brake lines ... no idea, $100?
the bluebook (trade-in) for the 06 sv 650 is $4390
http://www.kbb.com/KBB/OtherVehicles/PricingReport.aspx?VehicleIdy451&ManufacturerIdH&VehicleClass=Motorcycle&PriceType=Retail&YearId 06
> below is what we think the best bet for him is, and i'd love to hear
> the most harsh arguments and the most truthful praise for the
> potential purchase
I was seriously considering buying a SV650 or a Ninja 650R around
Christmas, when a lot of people were dumping their toys for cash to
buy gifts. I didn't buy one because I knew I would have to spend
another 8.25% on state sales tax, and another ~$350 putting an
emulator kit and springs in the forks and lowering the back end.
There's no end to the money you can dump into one of those things.
Savvy riders know that buying SV650 is just a starting for making it
into a Japanese
Ducati, that you're buying the bike for the engine, and you're going
to want to do something to the forks, maybe install GSXR forks, change
the exhaust, maybe put a 1/4 fairing on it that works with the high
handlebars, etc.
And, so far as I am concerned, all the trick stuff a rider has added
to his bike doesn't make it a bit more attractive to me, it just tells
me that the rider has probably ridden the piss out of the machine.
I would want a near new, cherry SV650 with almost no miles, and I
would want to hear the owner himself tell me something like, "I bought
it, but I never have time to ride it," or "My wife agreed to it, but
she changed her mind."
I don't want to hear that it was a track day toy, or that the guy
advertising it is acting as an agent for somebody else.
I would never buy a motorcycle that had never been registered in the
state I live in,
and I would never buy a motorcycle with unrepaired crash damage to
such a major
part and expensive as the gas tank.
This guy is telling you to show up with $4000 cash and a van, and he's
trying to pressure you into buying a bike that's only worth $3040 in
good shape on a trade in, according to KBB.com
I wouldn't get involved with a deal like that. SV650's are everywhere,
and they depreciate rapidly.
c wrote:
> hey all,
>
> i'd like to beam for a second as it's finally happened - my brother is
> getting back into riding
Could be perfectly legit, or could be a total rip-off. The risk is that
the seller is lying about any number of things; the potential upside is
that everything's legit.
That's easy enough to check. For a start, check with the originating
dealer to see what they can confirm; check the VIN to see if anything
turns up; check to see if the seller really is a licensed chiropractor.
Then you'll be in a position to make a decision to walk away or proceed.
Finally, instead of cash, arrange to get a certified check from a bank
or credit union, then fax the image of the check to the seller a day or
two in advance so HIS bank or credit union can validate it and put a
hold on the funds. The seller's refusal to accept those terms would be
cause for me to walk away.
--
St. John
How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
One to hold the giraffe and one to fill the bathtub with brightly
colored power tools.
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> i'd like to beam for a second as it's finally happened - my brother is
> getting back into riding
> he's got his heart set on a sv650 and i can't blame him
> we've been trolling the interweb and he's been to a few dealer$
> below is what we think the best bet for him is, and i'd love to hear
> the most harsh arguments and the most truthful praise for the
> potential purchase
> and what questions would you ask the owner? how would you figure out
> if it was too good to be true? we're gonna head up to westchester to
> see it on sunday
> (he doesn't really care about the color, and he wants one as new as
> possible but the $4k with 1013 miles beats a $5.5k with 0 miles for
> him)
> BELOW THE LINK is a few emails i traded back and forth with the guy -
> he's selling it for a "client" and that's a little weird ... and he's
> deadset against a test ride, which also makes me ...unsettled ^_^
> anyway,
> thanks in advance!
> http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/mcy/591525625.html
> the emails:
> *************
> mine to him
> *************
> hey,
> <chit chat>
> just a few questions:
> if it has scuffs on the tank and tail, it was dropped?
> if dropped, at what speed? scuffs look small in the pic, was it a
> parking accident or something?
> what was the date / mileage at the time of the drop, approximately?
> do you have service records?
> are you the original owner?
> i appreciate your time and will take your #, if you don't mind, to
> pass along to my brother
> thanks,
> chris
> ****************
> him to me in response
> ****************
> Hi Chris,
> My name is Ross. I am helping a friend sell the bike.
> He is an older gentleman, actually a patient of mine (I am a
> chiropractor).
> He has a very bad back, and has had back surgery in the past.
> He has been selling his toys one by one because they cause him agony.
> We recently just sold his cherry '07 GSXR600, rare FXR Harley, and a
> Ford Cobra classic musclecar.
> He purchased this SV650 new, to use for learning to ride on the track.
> He rode it a handful of times, mostly at the "STAR riding school" by
> Jason Pridmore in Loudon, NH.
> He did NOT race. He just rode the track for fun. (I do the same
> thing often. I don't ride on the street.)
> He is an older guy, I'd say 60-ish. He didn't ride hard like a
> lunatic, he rode at an easy pace for fun.
> The scuffs are from a lowside crash from using too much front brake.
> This was 2 years ago.
> This was going into turn 6 ("the bowl") which is a 2nd-gear left-
> hander that is banked and goes uphill.
> He was going 40-50 mph. He and the bike slid about 30 feet or so, and
> that was it.
> No drama. No flipping. No trees. No walls. No twisted frames.
> The bike is in excellent shape aside from the scuffs.
> It is in better shape than most road-ridden bikes you'll see.
> This bike was trailered to the track, started, ridden, trailered home,
> then parked in the garage.
> It was not ridden like a streetbike in stop-and-go traffic, hitting
> potholes, exposed to the elements, etc.
> He never registered the bike.
> The bike will be sold with a bill of sale, and the buyer will be given
> the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (aka MCO).
> The buyer of this bike will be the first person to possess a title and
> registration for the bike.
> Call any dealer, and they will tell you that this is legit.
> Better yet- look at the NY DMV's website, they'll have a full
> explanation.
> He just never bothered to title/register/insure it because it would
> have been a waste of money for a track-only bike.
> This situation occurs frequently with motocross bikes.
> Since the bike is not street legal, your brother cannot take the bike
> for a spin.
> I will be blunt with you: my friend is not into having his time
> wasted, and really isn't cool with
> people coming to kick tires.
> Two people already did this. They were younger guys that really don't
> know what they want,
> or what they are doing.
> I can't stress enough to you how this bike is a cherry. Just look at
> the photos.
> You ask about service: The bike had its oil changed a couple of times
> I'm sure... but seriously,, it only has like 1,000 or so miles, so any
> service history won't be all that extensive.
> He got the bike from Hudson Valley MC in Ossining, NY.
> They performed all modifications & service.
> Call them and ask them if you want any details.
> The seller will not accept anything but cash. Sorry- no teller's
> checks.
> If you are seriously interested, you will get $4,000 cash and your own
> van or pickup truck ready, you will email me what day and time is good
> for you, and at that time I will call my friend to make an
> appointment.
> If you can't make the above commitment, don't bother replying.
> I'm sure you understand.
> Take care,
> ******************
> so am i paranoid?
> he does make some weird points, right?
> here's my email back:
> *********************************
> Ross,
> thanks for your reply
> sorry to hear the owner's things of joy turned sour with his condition
> i appreciate all the detail you put into your response
> i further understand how little you or your friend care to have your
> time wasted
> it will not be an issue for us to meet you with cash, but i'll have to
> talk to my brother about the test ride situation
> it may be possible to work something out - perhaps a conditional sale
> whereupon after 15 minutes of riding (illegally, but without exposing
> you or your friend to any liability - just to make sure the bike runs
> as you say) the sale is finalized ... that's just a suggestion, we can
> talk about this further
> please simply realize that as we're trying to make a deal at arm's
> length, there will have to be some assurance that the bike is as it
> has been advertised, and a short but thorough inspection would include
> the basic performance of the engine
> regardless, i'm certain we can set up a time (let me talk to my
> brother) where we can meet, and when meeting, he will be fully
> prepared to purchase the bike should he find it meets the quality you
> have represented (he is looking specifically for an sv650 [or an
> sv1000; buying the first good deal he sees])
> you're right, it looks like a very nice bike
> **********************
> and then he wrote back saying if necessary, my brother could sit
> pillon while he or the client rode ... i really think, at this point,
> i'm being a little paranoid (and he is too, but about having his time
> wasted), but i'd just like to wring out any advantage possible from
> you all
> -c