Posted by =?UTF-8?B?5bqc5a+6? on February 6, 2010, 8:05 am
> It might become a problem if your swing arm loosens up.
> Apparently the problem is related to the rear wheel.
The late Hoyt McKagen had a small home business manufacturing and
installing bronze swing arm bushings in customers' swing arms, in the
belief that speed weaving was caused by sloppiness in that area.
McKagen refused to believe that such sloppiness was a good thing for a
motorcycle chassis when it was leaned over so far that the normal
suspension system couldn't handle to out-of-plane loads.
You probably weren't leaned over more than 20 degrees when you scared
yourself, and your soft suspension allowed a wallowing motion, which,
combined with poor rear tire traction resulted in a speed weave.
Posted by The Older Gentleman on February 6, 2010, 11:25 am
>
> > It might become a problem if your swing arm loosens up.
> > Apparently the problem is related to the rear wheel.
>
> The late Hoyt McKagen had a small home business manufacturing and
> installing bronze swing arm bushings in customers' swing arms, in the
> belief that speed weaving was caused by sloppiness in that area.
*Lots* of people did this, because back in those days the Japanese used
plastic swinging arm bushes. I had a bronze conversion done on my XS650.
>
> McKagen refused to believe that such sloppiness was a good thing for a
> motorcycle chassis when it was leaned over so far that the normal
> suspension system couldn't handle to out-of-plane loads.
He was right. Plus, of course, the swinging arm would move side to side
according to whether you had the power on or power off, and that
provoked some interesting handling characteristics.
This is fairly basic stuff.
But modern bikes don't really suffer from these problems any more.
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Posted by Snag on February 6, 2010, 11:30 am
?? wrote:
>> It might become a problem if your swing arm loosens up.
>> Apparently the problem is related to the rear wheel.
> The late Hoyt McKagen had a small home business manufacturing and
> installing bronze swing arm bushings in customers' swing arms, in the
> belief that speed weaving was caused by sloppiness in that area.
I agree with him . My bike has custom al/bronze bushings . Made in my shop
, by me .
> McKagen refused to believe that such sloppiness was a good thing for a
> motorcycle chassis when it was leaned over so far that the normal
> suspension system couldn't handle to out-of-plane loads.
And he was right . Side flex under load is a bad thing .
> You probably weren't leaned over more than 20 degrees when you scared
> yourself, and your soft suspension allowed a wallowing motion, which,
> combined with poor rear tire traction resulted in a speed weave.
You've never ridden a Harley bagger , have you ?? Or any other bike , if
what I've heard here is true . Fortunately , most realize from the start
what an idiot you are , and give your advice no attention .
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Snag
"90 FLHTCU "Strider"
'39 WLDD "PopCycle"
BS 132/SENS/DOF
Posted by Road Glidin' Don on February 6, 2010, 11:19 am
> Road Glidin' Don wrote:
> > Ever considered trading your old FL in for an '08 or newer FL?
> No, it's been beyond my reach financially (so far).
> However, I had a True-Track (sp?) installed which helped. (I think.)
Yep, you can do that, but it defeats the intent of the rubber-mounted
system. The other alternative is to save your money (and your ride
comfort) and not ride the thing like it's a racing machine; a thing it
was never designed to be in the first place. ;)
> > Not that it's ever been a real problem for me yet, after 200+K on the
> > Road Glide...
> It might become a problem if your swing arm loosens up.
> Apparently the problem is related to the rear wheel.
That's what I think as well - which is why I replaced the rubber
mounts on the swingarm at around 125K as per:
http://www.xidos.ca/Technical/RepairitYourself/PrimaryBeltReplacement/tabid=
/97/Default.aspx
Posted by The Older Gentleman on February 6, 2010, 2:47 am
> *Every* motorcycle has a critical speed at which it begins to weave.
> Big sportbikes just do it at over 120 mph.
This is total, utter, complete, pure, hallmarked, certified, attested,
24-carat, 99.99% fine nonsense.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple
Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes!
Try Googling before asking a damn silly question.
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> Apparently the problem is related to the rear wheel.