Posted by Puddin' Man on September 1, 2008, 11:55 am
Every so-many years, I get a Pulse-Generator failure.
The PG assembly has 2 elements, each drives a coil. A yellow element and a
blue element.
Honda likes, money, money, money. Even if you don't got none. They
sell only the assembly (~$70).
My previously failed PG (sitting my workbench) had a bad yellow element.
My currently failed PG has a bad blue element.
I'm thinking maybe I can use the older blue element (tests at 400
ohms) as a replacement on the currently failed assembly, on which
the yellow tests OK at 535 ohms. Involves only some ugly splicing,
couple tiny wire-nuts (I think).
Any reason this wouldn't be practical (or at least worth a try)?
I don't like to do such stuff, but, to a material extent, the new
units (as well as the old) are kinda junk/garbage. Six of one,
a half dozen of the other.
P
"I Ain't Blind, I Just Don't Wanna See"
- the title of a tune by Little Joe Blue, maybe 1966
Posted by Mark Olson on September 1, 2008, 12:19 pm
Puddin' Man wrote:
> Every so-many years, I get a Pulse-Generator failure.
>
> The PG assembly has 2 elements, each drives a coil. A yellow element and a
> blue element.
>
> Honda likes, money, money, money. Even if you don't got none. They
> sell only the assembly (~$70).
>
> My previously failed PG (sitting my workbench) had a bad yellow element.
>
> My currently failed PG has a bad blue element.
>
> I'm thinking maybe I can use the older blue element (tests at 400
> ohms) as a replacement on the currently failed assembly, on which
> the yellow tests OK at 535 ohms. Involves only some ugly splicing,
> couple tiny wire-nuts (I think).
>
> Any reason this wouldn't be practical (or at least worth a try)?
> I don't like to do such stuff, but, to a material extent, the new
> units (as well as the old) are kinda junk/garbage. Six of one,
> a half dozen of the other.
Avoid the temptation to use wire nuts. Best practice IMHO is to use a
crimped and soldered butt splice, or simply twist the wires together
and solder them. Either way, *always* use some good quality heat
shrink tubing (the kind with the gooey glue inside) over your splices
to keep water out, provide mechanical strain relief on the joints,
and to prevent sparks.
You will want to do your best effort of aligning the replacement coil on
the PG assembly as it will affect ignition timing a significant amount
for only a small misalignment.
--
'07 FJR13AW '99 EX250-F13
OMF #7
Posted by ian field on September 1, 2008, 4:17 pm
> Puddin' Man wrote:
>> Every so-many years, I get a Pulse-Generator failure.
>>
>> The PG assembly has 2 elements, each drives a coil. A yellow element and
>> a
>> blue element.
>>
>> Honda likes, money, money, money. Even if you don't got none. They
>> sell only the assembly (~$70).
>>
>> My previously failed PG (sitting my workbench) had a bad yellow element.
>>
>> My currently failed PG has a bad blue element.
>>
>> I'm thinking maybe I can use the older blue element (tests at 400 ohms)
>> as a replacement on the currently failed assembly, on which the yellow
>> tests OK at 535 ohms. Involves only some ugly splicing, couple tiny
>> wire-nuts (I think).
>>
>> Any reason this wouldn't be practical (or at least worth a try)?
>> I don't like to do such stuff, but, to a material extent, the new
>> units (as well as the old) are kinda junk/garbage. Six of one,
>> a half dozen of the other.
> Avoid the temptation to use wire nuts. Best practice IMHO is to use a
> crimped and soldered butt splice, or simply twist the wires together
> and solder them. Either way, *always* use some good quality heat
> shrink tubing (the kind with the gooey glue inside) over your splices
> to keep water out, provide mechanical strain relief on the joints,
> and to prevent sparks.
If you can't find a supplier with pre-glued heat shrink tubing, just buy
some hot melt glue sticks from a hardware store, heat the end with a lighter
and smear the molten end onto the soldered join before slipping the heat
shrink over it.
Posted by Puddin' Man on September 1, 2008, 7:38 pm
>> I'm thinking maybe I can use the older blue element (tests at 400
>> ohms) as a replacement on the currently failed assembly, on which
>> the yellow tests OK at 535 ohms. Involves only some ugly splicing,
>> couple tiny wire-nuts (I think).
>>
>> Any reason this wouldn't be practical (or at least worth a try)?
>> I don't like to do such stuff, but, to a material extent, the new
>> units (as well as the old) are kinda junk/garbage. Six of one,
>> a half dozen of the other.
>Avoid the temptation to use wire nuts. Best practice IMHO is to use a
>crimped and soldered butt splice, or simply twist the wires together
>and solder them. Either way, *always* use some good quality heat
>shrink tubing (the kind with the gooey glue inside) over your splices
>to keep water out, provide mechanical strain relief on the joints,
>and to prevent sparks.
Uh-oh. Given my meager soldering skills and equipment, I'm likely
in trouble. The way it's shaping up, I'd have 2 " or a bit less
to work with.
Anybody know of a good online soldering primer? :-)
>You will want to do your best effort of aligning the replacement coil on
>the PG assembly as it will affect ignition timing a significant amount
>for only a small misalignment.
Lost me on that one. There's 2 bolts holding each of the pulse elements:
don't see any variable alignment facility.
Thx,
P
"I Ain't Blind, I Just Don't Wanna See"
- the title of a tune by Little Joe Blue, maybe 1966
Posted by Hank on September 2, 2008, 8:17 am
Hi
I'd like to know how you make out. I've got the same bike and have had the
same problems. There is a guy in Quebec that sells new stators and Pulse
gens for a lot of older bikes atvs and pwcs. For some reason he charges more
to deliver in Canada than US so if/when I buy I will send it to my US
address and pick it up. I seem to recall you might be in Canada also?? I'll
try to find the guys url later.
Hank
> wrote:
>>> I'm thinking maybe I can use the older blue element (tests at 400
>>> ohms) as a replacement on the currently failed assembly, on which
>>> the yellow tests OK at 535 ohms. Involves only some ugly splicing,
>>> couple tiny wire-nuts (I think).
>>>
>>> Any reason this wouldn't be practical (or at least worth a try)?
>>> I don't like to do such stuff, but, to a material extent, the new
>>> units (as well as the old) are kinda junk/garbage. Six of one,
>>> a half dozen of the other.
>>
>>Avoid the temptation to use wire nuts. Best practice IMHO is to use a
>>crimped and soldered butt splice, or simply twist the wires together
>>and solder them. Either way, *always* use some good quality heat
>>shrink tubing (the kind with the gooey glue inside) over your splices
>>to keep water out, provide mechanical strain relief on the joints,
>>and to prevent sparks.
> Uh-oh. Given my meager soldering skills and equipment, I'm likely
> in trouble. The way it's shaping up, I'd have 2 " or a bit less
> to work with.
> Anybody know of a good online soldering primer? :-)
>>You will want to do your best effort of aligning the replacement coil on
>>the PG assembly as it will affect ignition timing a significant amount
>>for only a small misalignment.
> Lost me on that one. There's 2 bolts holding each of the pulse elements:
> don't see any variable alignment facility.
> Thx,
> P
> "I Ain't Blind, I Just Don't Wanna See"
> - the title of a tune by Little Joe Blue, maybe 1966
>
> The PG assembly has 2 elements, each drives a coil. A yellow element and a
> blue element.
>
> Honda likes, money, money, money. Even if you don't got none. They
> sell only the assembly (~$70).
>
> My previously failed PG (sitting my workbench) had a bad yellow element.
>
> My currently failed PG has a bad blue element.
>
> I'm thinking maybe I can use the older blue element (tests at 400
> ohms) as a replacement on the currently failed assembly, on which
> the yellow tests OK at 535 ohms. Involves only some ugly splicing,
> couple tiny wire-nuts (I think).
>
> Any reason this wouldn't be practical (or at least worth a try)?
> I don't like to do such stuff, but, to a material extent, the new
> units (as well as the old) are kinda junk/garbage. Six of one,
> a half dozen of the other.