Posted by oldgeezer on May 8, 2007, 10:50 am
Mark Olson schreef:
> Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com wrote:
> > Jack Hunt wrote:
> >
> >>>You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you, Jack?
> >>
> >>Prove me wrong, Einstein. We'll wait.
> > You're not worthy, Jack.
> You're harldy in any position to throw stones, Krusty. What Jack
> said is essentially correct, most bike regulators are shunt regulators
> that work by shorting the stator windings. So if you please, either
> point out what was wrong with what he said, without quibbling about
> minor issues with terminology, or apologize.
> --
> '01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
> OMF #7
And could you please enlighten us in 10 lines max?
Rob.
Posted by The Older Gentleman on May 8, 2007, 12:29 pm
> So if you please, either
> point out what was wrong with what he said, without quibbling about
> minor issues with terminology, or apologize.
<fx: opens popcorn>
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
Posted by Mark Olson on May 8, 2007, 12:50 pm
The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>So if you please, either
>>point out what was wrong with what he said, without quibbling about
>>minor issues with terminology, or apologize.
> <fx: opens popcorn>
Better scoff it quick, unless someone else jumps in and carries
the ball from now on there's not going to be much to see here.
--
'01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
OMF #7
Posted by The Older Gentleman on May 8, 2007, 1:27 pm
> Motorcycle owners don't seem to be that bright,
That is the *stupidest* thing you have posted here in years, and believe
me, that's saying something.
>and usually there is no
> switch on most motorcycle handlebars that turns the lights on and off.
On modern US, and (for the last couple of years) EU bikes, no. On
anything older, yes. So "usually" is wrong.
>
> When the motorcycle starts, the lights light and the battery charges and the
> rider never even has to think about the fact that the charging system is
> doing everything automatically.
>
> The electrical engineer who designed the three phase, full wave bridge
> rectifier used on any given motorcycle included some safety factor when he
> selected the power diodes, but who knows what that safety factor is?
>
> And, did the electrical engineer ever conceive that end users were going to
> try to jump start their motorcycles with a partly charged car battery and
> wind up unwittingly charging TWO batteries at the same time?
Almost certainly yes. Jump-starting has been commonplace on vehicles for
a century or more, so I guess designers consider it.
>
> I doubt it, but, again, who knows?
See above.
>
> We do know that new voltage regulators cost anywhere from $150 to $400,
> depending on what kind of motorcycle is involved.
>
> Why take the risk of blowing up a perfectly good rectifier by not knowing
> what the risks are?
I have never, ever blown a motorcycle reg/rec by car jump-starts, and
I've used cars to jump-start God-knows-how-many bikes for decades. I
doubt you have. The only thing to beware of, as others have said
elsewhere, is not to have the car engine running at the time.
>
> My intent was to help a newbie understand
Yes, you say this all the time, but the trouble is, when you don't know
for certain, you tend to make it up, or scan the web for an answer, and
even then sometimes get it wrong. Which means newbies - or anyone else -
cannot rely on your "advice".
>
> This wasn't about quibbling or minor issues with terminology, it was about
> helping a newbie, not debating.
Wrong again.
--
BMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 Z650 SL125
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
Posted by The Older Gentleman on May 8, 2007, 2:11 pm
> I don't need to confess the error of my ways to
> Usenet.
ROFL. On a technical ng, yes, you *do*, unless (a) you want to look an
imbecile and (b) have any correct advice you do impart taken seriously.
>
> Have you ever noticed that an OP asks a question, gets an answer and then
> either never responds or more rarely actually comes back and thanks everyone
> who replies?
>
> I suppose many OP's wonder what the heck is going on with this supposedly
> "technical" NG
> that goes off on all possible tangents instead of sticking to pragmatic
> advice.
Suppose = assume. ISTR you have a hackneyed little homily about that,
which you drag out from time to time.
And this ng stays more on topic than any other I subscribe to.
> Occasionally a newbie will remark that he didn't expect to witness all of
> this public airing of dirty laundry, but that's rare.
>
> And the useless rhetoric still continues.
A lot of it, most, in fact, is yours.
--
BMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 Z650 SL125
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
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> > Jack Hunt wrote:
> >
> >>>You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you, Jack?
> >>
> >>Prove me wrong, Einstein. We'll wait.
> > You're not worthy, Jack.
> You're harldy in any position to throw stones, Krusty. What Jack
> said is essentially correct, most bike regulators are shunt regulators
> that work by shorting the stator windings. So if you please, either
> point out what was wrong with what he said, without quibbling about
> minor issues with terminology, or apologize.
> --
> '01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
> OMF #7